The Evolution of Duel of the Fates

Over the course of Movie Battles 2 Duel of the Fates has seen many iterations over the years. The first of which starting in Build 17 and ever since then the community has continued to enjoy it throughout the years. Within that time we have made numerous changes some for the better and some for the worse resulting in the level we currently have in public today. I will be making a brief summary of those changes over the years then detailing some of the changes made over the years to its hopeful successor known to everyone as Duel of the Fates Version 2 or DotFv2 for short.

For those that just care about seeing the new DotF scroll down until you see the large layout image.

History of Duel of the Fates
Duel of the Fates was initially released in Build 17 all the way back in 2005. Initially created by =tom= using some base assets from LivingDeadJedi's FFA Episode 1 level.

In Build 18 (Sept. 2006) we saw the main route change significantly. Originally the hallway from the main hangar into main was an L shape. That all changed when it was converted into the U-like shape we have present today. That change was done for several reasons but the easiest ones to go over is those for performance and gameplay. Adding more corners allowed for better culling of the hangar from main. It also served to give the rebel team some much needed additional cover and give them their own area to make a stand if they couldn't fully push into main. Murderous doors were also a thing to be removed in Build 18.
XhirQYn.jpg


In Build 19 (Jun. 2007) there weren't really any layout changes but there were some minor bug fixes and the start of the texture updates by Frost. You can clearly see the changes within the brick texture and the floor of the main hangar.



Release Candidate 1, or RC1 (Jan. 2008), saw the finalization of the texture updates by Frost which was a pretty massive change to the map we had been playing for years at that point. I personally joined the team between B19 and RC1 and one of my tasks was assisting Frost with the visual updates. I removed the hangar door to give everyone a better view, fixed some texture bugs, and made some minor performance improvements across the level. These updates gave DOTF a large majority of the aesthetic it has today.



In Release Candidate 2 (Aug. 2008) there were some updates to the Full Authentic gamemode version of DOTF. After that though, we took a break from DOTF changes for a little while and come back to them in Release Candidate 3 Patch 4 (RC3P4) [Oct. 2009]. This was the first update we added minimaps to MB2 and almost every level received one at the time. The following update, Version 0, saw more minor exploit and cosmetic fixes to the map.

Version 0.1 (Oct. 2011) saw some FA fixes for our Droideka model and mechanic revamp.
Similarly Version 1.0 (July. 2014) saw some FA fixes, exploit fixes, performance improvements, and allowing Droidekas to open the throne and federation doors.

Version 1.1 (Dec. 2014) was the first build in years to see some major layout changes to Duel of the Fates. This route changed both primary and secondary spawn locations slightly, added a way to open the main federation door without using secondary objective, added the right side balcony route to throne, and even shifted throne slightly. Minor fixes and balance changes to this version came immediately after in V1. and 1.3. An example of one of the balance changes was the secondary door hacks being moved to the entry of the generator room from the pit area.



History of Duel of the Fates Version 2
Before we start I want to just note that I will go over the design goals of each of the areas in the final section. For this bit I will just be outlining how things were built unless some of those goals are particularly relevant to the design.

The first iteration of DOTFv2 started all the way back in 2009 under the code name PadmesPlayPen (Thanks Wildebeest). July 6th, 2009 to be exact. I started working on it as a side project because I felt that while DOTF was a pretty well done map it was far from perfect. In particular I felt that main could use a redesign to better match the movies while providing more cover for both teams and making things like pop sniping a bit less viable. When starting I intentionally built on top of the old map. Removing the old stuff as I went to not disturb much of the layout proportions outside of intentional changes. Changing the layout was not my initial goal.

in this first iteration I also made some changes around the bend from hangar door into the main corridor itself that was partially added to the main line DOTF in v1.1. It always felt cramped around that corner especially on near full servers. In order to fixed that I increased the size of the fighting area and added additional points of cover that players of both teams can use. So far we have seen these changes increase the ability for rebels to stand their ground so that hangar retreats aren't required as often. I also modified T-Junction and the throne side of main slightly.

gTgMdh7.jpg
rLjPtd3.jpg
f7k43Fn.jpg

We held a few initial test sessions to see if this was an idea worth pursuing and the initial feedback was overwhelmingly positive. So from there the only thing to do next is to continue to flesh out the idea. So I begun to finish up T-Junction and started work redoing the main hangar. These areas stayed pretty much the same and only really changed visually.

PbnKj9E.jpg
ffUdsB0.jpg

And now it is time to continue down the path of reworking areas. Like above work continued on the Hangar and expanded back into main route as well as federation spawn, generator room, and two of the side routes.



Then things get a little dicey. This is around the time focus on other levels became more important and the changes being made to DOTF needed a bit more thought and time put into them. A break from the project was needed and focus went to other things like Republic Cruiser, Cloud City, Enclave, Kamino, Conquest etc. I also had to take an extended absence from MB2 around this time as well which delayed Cloud City significantly as well.

Since I was gone for quite a while Pande decided to take a stab at making DOTFv2 a reality circa 2013. Though for reasons I am unaware of he decided to start from scratch. And well it didn't really continue much farther than a few test sessions. By building from scratch and not using the original source material everything was just not quite right. Hangar wasn't the same size, the hall from hangar into main was much larger than it needed to be, federation spawn was vastly different from what we have now, and the list goes on. Designing for both visuals and performance is important for many levels as well, in MB2 you can't exactly fight well if you drop to 20fps. There ended up being way too much visual detail for MB2 to handle even in an unfinished level and as a result of these issues it was not favored by QA testers and was scrapped.



There was another concept layout between that time where we had the balcony in the public version of the level on the left side route, generator side route was expanded and the changes to main were what were built prior to this.

u2OG4CI.png


That didn't really work out for some obvious reasons. There wasn't much point expanding side route in the way done there and the position of the balcony felt like a bandaid fix than anything worth while.

Following that I made a return to finish things like Cloud City and other tasks in late 2014. In late 2015 Spaghetti and I worked on further expanding DOTFv2 where we saw the main foyer and throne room start to take shape as well as the left side route. In this iteration of DOTF there was no right side route at all because we wanted to try and see if the expanded left side and main routes were able to make up for removing it due to some space limitations with that layout. Generator room was also mostly finished at this time. You can also see the new objective starting to take shape. This layout was initially based off of a concept layout change for Eridan Crisis but expanded even further based off of feedback from the team.

e9VQaxI.jpg

Within the next few months we saw that in testing this layout wasn't quite doing it but was better than the previous in several respects. So here we go with another iteration in early 2016. This saw the addition of a new and also pretty large right side route that was a very open courtyard just outside of Federation taking inspiration from the changes made to DOTF in V1.1. The back portions of this route that lead into throne used the design from the much earlier right side route concept. This was also around when we made some changes to several of the pillars in main to make sniping through a few little cracks not possible. It wasn't fun at all! And we saw some lighting and texture upgrades so that we could see more clearly in the newer areas. The secondary imperial spawn also was flipped to the other side of throne in this time as well resulting in some changes to the left side route. Side route from generator was curved a bit to make a more flowing path and reduce the travel time for imperials.


This didn't quite end up working out as we wanted it. Left side route was in okay shape but not entirely where we wanted it to be. Right side route ended up being way too long and there was no way to really fix it with the open courtyard design from Fed and was scrapped entirely.

Which leads us into 2017. Spaghetti and I were having hard times finding suitable route changes. I have no idea how many layout concepts we went through but it was quite a few of them. Here is one of the ones I managed to save from May-June 2017-ish. You can see another right side route starting to develop based off of one of the earlier concept changes Spaghetti was working on before we settled on this being the correct direction to go.
QzdVfbT.png


With a much better baseline concept for the changes we wanted to make (which I will detail more shortly) construction began and lead us to where we are now. We needed to shift the throne area slightly, lengthen the path to left side, add two more secondary spawns, add routes back into main from the side routes, and more.

Finalization of Duel of the Fates Version 2
It was a long road but we are finally here. It took many iterations and concepts most of which no longer remain and quite a lot of which never even saw a test session because of flaws evident early on. So here we are! The new layout for Duel of the Fates.
OXH3Vp7.png


Now lets go over each area shall we?

Hangar
oj0bwlf.jpg
AgPdp8S.jpg


One of the most important areas of Duel of the Fates. This area outside of visual changes has pretty much never seen anything done to it and that mostly reigns true today except for one small thing. I bet a large portion of people are wondering where catwalk is. Well... it has been removed. The changes to main route allowing teams to hold their position much easier lessens the need for a strategic sniping and rocket position from the top of the catwalk.

The secondary objective location changes also means that the attacking team has the potential to get access to federation much faster than before as well as changes to side route making that path also more viable. Visually it also was never in the movie and never felt like it quite fit where it was. There were plans to fix that but it was no longer a necessity for gameplay to keep it as a large portion of its use would just be down to people delaying the end of a match and camping.

Outside of that and some small changes to adjust rebel spawn position to account for changes in Main and Side the hangar remains almost purely visual changes.

Main Corridor
QsYCxdF.jpg
q0Hgbyh.jpg
UxmLDNn.jpg


Main Corridor always sees some of the most intense fighting at the beginning of a round. However at times it could be frustrating to play in because of a lack of cover for both sides when advancing and the prevalence of power for snipers and other heavily defensive classes. The choke point around the initial corner was far too tight and needed to be expanded to allow for more fighting room and additional cover. The main hallways cover has also been increased significantly and the pillars modified to prevent sniping through the edges that earlier versions had. We wanted people to have the ability to slowly push in either direction without the corridor feeling largely like no-mans land that it does from time to time with the skimpy cover we have now.

T-Junction
RBNESf8.jpg

This mostly remained similar to what we have now with some expansions and changes on either side and the entrance to the Throne Foyer being in the "middle" offset slightly to the left of main to keep from drawing either at the same time. Performance is important. Like main, the cover here was also changed slightly to fit the design and give everyone more options when fighting here.

Left Side Route Entrance from Main
SVxOQR8.jpg
VZchl5S.jpg

The entrance to the left side route from Main saw some pretty significant changes. It is now much longer with the cover changed significantly and a small expanded area in the center of it that acts as a protected secondary spawn for the attacking team

Generator Room
Ibtdmw5.jpg
IIRuvQM.jpg
kHM5ZTe.jpg

Going back to the generator room we see some significant changes to each of the walkways. They are now much thinner and more curved than before. We also moved both secondary objectives to the consoles closest to the hangar that work in a tiered fashion. Meaning that instead of having to walk between the two consoles to hack a different part of the secondary objective you can just stay at one console and hack twice. And this works properly even if you have a teammate on either side if you want to cut the total hack time in half. There is also a nice new indicator on top indicating the state of secondary objective that you can see as you enter the room.

With these changes we no longer saw a point in having the Pit area in the main assault map and lessened the size of the walkways as we wanted to have the fighting focused elsewhere in the level. However we still added some additional elevators and walkways that allow people to more easily get to every level of the generator room should they choose to fight there. In addition to those changes there is an area denial mechanic in the generator room if someone is just camping the upper areas.

Side Route
pJk3cf4.jpg

Side route from the generator room always felt pretty cramped. It was too much of a bottle neck. The cover on either side of the room has been increased in size, the width of the corridor increased, and the distance to the end of the hallway is decreased. This change in flow at the end of the hallway also has an additional purpose of decreasing the travel time between Gen. and Fed. which allows the defending team to set up defenses much faster without increasing the time for the generator door to open making defending side route much easier in that respect while increasing the cover here helps both teams.

Federation Spawn
9l5kQLV.jpg
xpa8fJN.jpg
ziRmHAX.jpg

Federation spawn has always had some issues in the public versions due to not having enough spawns that could in rare cases cause people to get caught on one another, get telefragged, or even crash the server. To prevent this the size of federation was expanded greatly and a new alcove added to handle both the additional spawns needed and to serve as another protected secondary spawn for the attackers when the time came.

There are also new locked/unlocked indicators above the doors here so you can tell when side objective has been done.

Northern Hall - Right Side Route
8xxuWeK.jpg
SlUNfpu.jpg
bP5KCcL.jpg

The new right side route is now a large hall that is almost entirely open without the secondary objective being completed but a door at the end has an indicator to let you know if you can pass all the way through or not. We wanted to have a lot of fighting area, some minor protection when passing between T-Junction and fed, as well as some additional inter-connectivity to the main route via a door into Throne Foyer.

The upper part of this route behind the locked door holds a small hall with one of the defending teams secondary spawns and a doorway into the Throne Room.

Main Foyer
PzLOEoZ.jpg
hrpVPQe.jpg

Some of you may have seen a picture of this on Facebook not too long ago but even since then some changes have been made. Such as some texture upgrades, increasing the size of the lion statues and railing pillars for more cover. We wanted main to have inter-connectivity to all the routes and the lower portion has direct access to the right side route initially and left side route after the secondary objective has been completed.

We also wanted direct access to the throne room getting rid of the door that we have now.

Courtyard - Left Side Route
yGZn2dE.jpg
ro1XRMd.jpg
OH4unCB.jpg

The left side route is now a courtyard area, similar to some of the earlier iterations. It starts completely blocked off until the secondary objective is completed has multiple routes to traverse. The first one when coming from main is sheltered to provide a buffer to people coming into and out of the area and to provide a visibility blocker for performance. It has a roof to keep people in the inner area sheltered from outside attacks.

The left most part of this route is very similar to the old side routes being close quartered, up stairs with lots of cover.

There is also a route up the center landscaping to the upper level that classes with higher jump capabilities like ARC can use without using the stairs.

Throne
LsehuLS.jpg

Last but not least. The Throne room. This is one of the areas that changed the most significantly in DotF V2. No longer is it a massive camp fest defending the doorway and the window. Rebels now have three lanes of attack into the room one of which is wide open for the taking. It is very important to pay attention to your flanks.

The objective uses a Capture Node that starts fully in the defending teams control. The attacking team must flip it to their side to win the match. They can do so by having more players in the capture zone, marked by the outside border on the ground and the minimap. However if the defending team has equal number of players it will stall the capture and if they get more it will quickly reset to their side. Defenders it is very important to contest the capture point and use the chairs, throne, and outer pillars to your advantage as well as extremely close double secondary spawns.

Community Assistance
Like with everything we have ever made, nothing is perfect. Duel of the Fates Version 2 is no different. There are some things I would still like to work on or change but at this point I need to see how things play on live servers before I make more adjustments. Definitely expect changes to be made in the weeks and months after release based off of your feedback. I also want to extend a special thank you to all the testers and developers that helped with this project as the information was invaluable. I am glad we went through all those earlier iterations to find out they were not worth pursuing.

Also remember that this was far from a solo project. While it was mainly the work of Spaghetti and myself it was definitely a team effort. Zudni, Redsaurus, Defiant, Viserys, Plasma, Lervish, Scerendo, GoodOlBen, Pipex, Hexodious, McBober, DT85, Starushka and more all helped in some way. Whether it be coding new entity definitions, making statue models, scripted cinematics, or spending hours with me combing the map for bugs. We also have a new objective type to use in other maps now. Yay!

Rend 2
OpenJK has a new and more modern renderer called Rend2. However its updates are currently only in single player and have yet to be ported into multiplayer. As a result of this and needing to focus my time on finishing the level instead of redoing and testing all of the old textures in PBR DOTFv2 will not be compatible with Rend2 on launch but will be sometime in the future. A good chunk of the textures were already made with PBR compatibility so look forward to that in the future. Example Preview

Thanks
Thanks for reading, please feel free to share your thoughts and comments below.
 

Defiant

Nerd
Project Leader
Movie Battles II Team
Code Leader
Posts
1,086
Likes
1,582
Correct me if I'm wrong Mace, but most of that difference is probably getting rid of pit though I imagine.
 

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer
Donator
Movie Battles II Team
Posts
1,930
Likes
2,730
Correct me if I'm wrong Mace, but most of that difference is probably getting rid of pit though I imagine.

It is all of it. With the pit factor removed, V2 is 500 units bigger on the Y but that is also mainly due to the secondary spawn room on the bottom which similarly doesn't really receive play. Basically they're pretty much equivalent without doing a bunch of math for each room.

Could also argue that 75% of gen isn't as useful anymore so could cut that Y out of dotfv2.
 
Last edited:
Posts
299
Likes
216
Is there still a gen room? EDIT: NM I see it now. Where is that First Order Star destroyer map I saw a while back on Facebook?
 
Posts
299
Likes
478
It looks great, but mechanically, it is much worse for somebody like me. Where the only real big open spaces where it was easy for people to find, or shoot you on the original DOTF were Hangar, and Main, now there are many more open areas where you can be shot, or found easily. There are fewer places to hide in general, and the obvious places you'd think to hide, where your character could obviously stand, are blocked by invisible walls, even if it would be easy to shoot somebody who is up in these areas, if you knew they were there in the first place.

Also like to point out that the scale is absolutely fucked up. From the chairs in the capture area to the ceiling always being a mile high, it's like you were deliberately trying to create something like legosw. I feel like I'm walking around the halls of Valhalla, because every room looks like it was made for the mythical giants of yore.

Also, Rebs can capture the objective in the time it takes you to walk from Fed to Throne, so that's good(!?).

tl;dr - oh boy oh man man this looks nice but why is it so big and open and why does it make me wanna kylo myself (get it heurheurh)
 
Last edited:

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer
Donator
Movie Battles II Team
Posts
1,930
Likes
2,730
Also like to point out that the scale is absolutely fucked up. From the chairs in the capture area to the ceiling always being a mile high, it's like you were deliberately trying to create something like legosw. I feel like I'm walking around the halls of Valhalla, because every room looks like it was made for the mythical giants of yore.

Chairs were intentionally made larger to give people a little more cover. The rest of the scale is pretty damn accurate though. https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.ne...ne_Room.png/revision/latest?cb=20130720034408

There are fewer places to hide in general, and the obvious places you'd think to hide, where your character could obviously stand, are blocked by invisible walls, even if it would be easy to shoot somebody who is up in these areas, if you knew they were there in the first place.

We aren't playing hide and go seek.
 
Posts
299
Likes
478
Chairs were intentionally made larger to give people a little more cover. The rest of the scale is pretty damn accurate though. https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.ne...ne_Room.png/revision/latest?cb=20130720034408
Inferior cover in the middle of a wide open room, where it's easy to circle around with superior cover because of the hugefuck pillars surrounding the room? Riiiiiight...

pictures for ants
We aren't playing hide and go seek.
That's not what I meant, Mace. If you don't understand what I meant, then I will elaborate.

Most of the best tactics when it comes to playing as a Sith on the defending team, or defending your spawn from a defender pushback as a Jedi come to either:

A.) Supporting, and defending your team.
B.) Staying near certain key points on the map(Side -> Fed/Fed -> Throne), and ambushing key members of the enemy team, be it their best players, or just killing based on class. In this way it is a lot like playing say Spy on TF2.

I try to mix them, and I am used to crippling enemy teams by eliminating Snipers, or Wooks/SBDs, Clones, etc, while still saving members of my team, if I am close to them, and making call outs with Sense. By making the map more open, less vertical, and eliminating most hiding spots, you are pretty much forcing Jedi/Sith to either be Role A, die, or be a gimped Role B. I'd also like to point out with the map being so open, it quickly becomes a shooting gallery. Without speed, or some other alternative movement, it takes forever to move from place to place when it comes to the throne area. Travel time really wouldn't be an issue as an attacker, but as a defender, it quickly becomes an issue when you can't even walk from fed to throne in time to stop a capture. The problem becomes more severe when you realize how buggy the capture point is in of itself.

Just playing today, I had a 1v1 with a Sith inside the control area, and even though it was only us two alive in the capture point, I was still capping. It's bugged.

-----
P.S.
We aren't playing hide and go seek.

Mace, leaving one sentence, that could be easily taken as insulting to the common sense of the person it was meant for, without actually addressing any of the points beyond 'hehe look at this 285 pixel image that cant at all show a sense of scale perfecte exmaple rite!?' is how you start the 'Ye Olde Internet Shitthrowing Contest' meme. It's been demonstrated before that you don't seem to like getting into heated shitpost wars, and you definitely don't like going really far off topic, based on your attitude after and towards said shitpost wars.

So, for the sake of yourself, if for nobody else, don't try to start a flame war. Seriously, don't do that, because when you do it, and you will, maybe in a different thread in the future, maybe on a different forum, maybe sooner, maybe later...

I don't wanna see you whine about it, cause it's something I've always witnessed you bring unto yourself. So for the last time, cause maybe you don't remember the first time I told you this:

Don't fucking do that. I'm tired of trying to tell you this shit in a friendly way, because friendly doesn't seem to actually get through to you. Please, for the sake of yourself, for the sake of the forums, and for the sake of actually having a discussion without having it go completely off the rails, STOP.

EDIT - If you wanna respond to this textvomit, PM me, I don't wanna derail more than I already have.
 
Last edited:

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer
Donator
Movie Battles II Team
Posts
1,930
Likes
2,730
Travel time really wouldn't be an issue as an attacker, but as a defender, it quickly becomes an issue when you can't even walk from fed to throne in time to stop a capture. The problem becomes more severe when you realize how buggy the capture point is in of itself.

Just playing today, I had a 1v1 with a Sith inside the control area, and even though it was only us two alive in the capture point, I was still capping. It's bugged.

You couldn't do that in the old version either. If someone opened the door and hacked immediately, you couldn't reach them. In the 50 or so rounds I have played since release, plus those in the test sessions prior, it has yet to bug out like that while I am watching. We tested the capture point for hours in just the two days prior to release. Now it is possible based off of other things we noticed that it could do that, and if so we need to fix it but it is not nearly as buggy as you are claiming it to be.

I have told other people I may adjust the warning system for throne proximity and touching of the capture point before the next patch to give imperials more time to react.

Mace, leaving one sentence, that could be easily taken as insulting to the common sense of the person it was meant for, without actually addressing any of the points beyond 'hehe look at this 285 pixel image that cant at all show a sense of scale perfecte exmaple rite!?'

https://i.gyazo.com/f3df329a7397095bc7535845710f549e.jpg It is 1533x651. I didn't link you a tiny image. That is on your end.

And like I said, we aren't playing hide and go seek. A lot of those upper areas are blocked off for a reason. Now I might lessen some of the ones that are less of a problem once I see the gameplay more in a few areas as I can't fully predict how things are going to handle off of beta test sessions, but a large majority of the invisible walls need to stay. I had no way to not make a lot of the invisible walls and keep the design movie-like.A lot of them are also more than just to stop people from getting up to spots, but also being able to bug through the map.
 
Posts
299
Likes
478
You couldn't do that in the old version either. If someone opened the door and hacked immediately, you couldn't reach them.
Takes time to open the door/takes time to hack sides and bust through a window, takes time and lack of movement to hack the panel. Due to the openness of the area, it is also vital to be close at all times. Since the walk from main takes the same time, and they can just walk on it to capture it very quickly, it soon becomes imperative to abandon the secondary objective to Rebels, and then to retreat from main to camp the primary objective. Alternatively, you can also leave two or so teammates behind to guard it while you fight the enemy. However, due to this being implemented into a PUB environment, and the players usually neither knowing nor being friendly with one another, the chances of those two players refusing to camp, or just leaving after about a minute of waiting are very high. Either way, it is easiest just to camp throne. I also notice that the 'They are close to throne!' message sometimes doesn't pop up when it should, though the sound does play(Though, consider that I play without music or anything on so I can hear footsteps, and other such small sounds. Imagine how much harder it would be to hear if the music was the same volume as the noise).

Big point is, there is no big door blocking them for 5-10 seconds of lightsaber swings, now.
In the 50 or so rounds I have played since release, plus those in the test sessions prior, it has yet to bug out like that while I am watching. We tested the capture point for hours in just the two days prior to release. Now it is possible based off of other things we noticed that it could do that, and if so we need to fix it but it is not nearly as buggy as you are claiming it to be.
How buggy am I claiming it to be in your eyes? All I said is that the capture point can be buggy sometimes. In terms of bugginess, I am claiming it is 50% buggy, for out of the some 20 or so rounds I've played so far, it has happened about 10 times.
I have told other people I may adjust the warning system for throne proximity and touching of the capture point before the next patch to give imperials more time to react
Very good.
https://i.gyazo.com/f3df329a7397095bc7535845710f549e.jpg It is 1533x651. I didn't link you a tiny image. That is on your end.
No, you have now sent two different links.
https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.ne...ne_Room.png/revision/latest?cb=20130720034408 - The first you posted.
https://i.gyazo.com/f3df329a7397095bc7535845710f549e.jpg - The second.

Don't blame it on me, it's not on my end.
And like I said, we aren't playing hide and go seek. A lot of those upper areas are blocked off for a reason. Now I might lessen some of the ones that are less of a problem once I see the gameplay more in a few areas as I can't fully predict how things are going to handle off of beta test sessions, but a large majority of the invisible walls need to stay. I had no way to not make a lot of the invisible walls and keep the design movie-like.
I realize they're blocked off for a reason, but what I am saying is there are some that are blocked off where it is just silly, places where people are exposed, and can't possibly hide, etc.

If you lessen some of the spots with invisible walls, that would make me a happy goy. Maybe I can point some out to you, later.
 
Last edited:

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer
Donator
Movie Battles II Team
Posts
1,930
Likes
2,730
T I also notice that the 'They are close to throne!' message sometimes doesn't pop up when it should, though the sound does play.

How buggy am I claiming it to be in your eyes? All I said is that the capture point can be buggy sometimes. In terms of bugginess, I aim claiming it is 50% buggy, for out of the some 20 or so rounds I've played so far, it has happened about 10 times.

How is your latency/ping/internet? I am definitely not seeing the same things you are here. I've only seen one other report of the capture point glitching out and that was for one round. There are some problems with the capture point if someone lags a little bit. The "They are close to throne!" message is handled the exact same as old classic DOTF. Nothing changed there and both the audio and print are triggered by the same script at the same time. There isn't any reason for them to not both be shown/activated unless there is some lag/packet loss.

No, you have now sent two different links.
https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.ne...ne_Room.png/revision/latest?cb=20130720034408 - The first you posted.
https://i.gyazo.com/f3df329a7397095bc7535845710f549e.jpg - The second.

Don't blame it on me, it's not on my end.

The second link is just a screen capture of the first link with inspect element on chrome open. https://i.gyazo.com/d55141c2bdfc43fc7d660591d443ed9d.mp4
 
Posts
299
Likes
478
How is your latency/ping/internet? I am definitely not seeing the same things you are here. I've only seen one other report of the capture point glitching out and that was for one round. There are some problems with the capture point if someone lags a little bit. The "They are close to throne!" message is handled the exact same as old classic DOTF. Nothing changed there and both the audio and print are triggered by the same script at the same time. There isn't any reason for them to not both be shown/activated unless there is some lag/packet loss.

I usually get pretty good ping, and I only usually play on NA servers.
The second link is just a screen capture of the first link with inspect element on chrome open.
Must be something wrong with the first link. I can look up the link in google, and find the picture, but if I take the link you posted, and open it up in a new tab, a new window, or any of that, comes up small.

Might be just how the different browsers handle the link, I use Firefox.
 
Last edited:

SomeGuy

Donator
Internal Beta Team
Posts
398
Likes
194
Played it for a couple hours, looks good. Except for one big part. It's way too bright everywhere. It feels really fake and odd. Maybe tone down the overall lighting so it's darker and has more contrast between where lamps are and aren't.

Also saw a guy get stuck in the fed door and he stayed stuck even after it opened.
 
Posts
660
Likes
1,930
I gotta say the map became much much more difficult for imps to defend. If you lose main - rebs can rush straight to the obj and capture it very quickly. If you lose gen - rebs open all those side routes and flank the hell out of imps.

Also, if you lose main, everyone spawning in fed room is doomed. As an imp you can only get to obj through tjunk, but if rebs are there already, you are trapped.

Also, imps can't move through right and left route doors anymore unless rebs hack the gen consoles. These door were crucial for escaping from attacking rebels, but you don't have that option anymore.

This makes playing imps on the new dotf very frustrating on open servers. You lose extremely quickly if your team makes a mistake, and it requires some serious teamwork to actually hold the rebs back. And God forbid a rebel sneaks past your team to the obj - by the time you get there, he will capture the point 10 times over.
 

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer
Donator
Movie Battles II Team
Posts
1,930
Likes
2,730
Played it for a couple hours, looks good. Except for one big part. It's way too bright everywhere. It feels really fake and odd. Maybe tone down the overall lighting so it's darker and has more contrast between where lamps are and aren't.

Yeah I mentioned this elsewhere. I changed the compile to add bounce lighting (basically baked global illumination) which made it too bright, took the amount of bounces down, multiplied intensity by 75% and it still wasn't quite enough but I wanted to get it out to you guys before battlefront. Expect some tweaks.

I will be doing some changes to make it easier for imps to defend. I am sure they can survive for a little bit after years of imps having a large defensive advantage.

I wanted to see if the openness between main and right side allowed for enough maneuverability to leave left side locked. Looks like that wasn't the case and will be one of the things I will be re-enabling.
 
Posts
10
Likes
13
I appreciate the effort put into rework, but I have mixed feelings about it.

The new dark grey and red color scheme looks much, much worse than the old yellows, beige and light grey. The hangar feels empty. Fed room with its blank walls and weird roof is just ugly.

I like new windows and courtyard though. The new throne room and hall is great too.

But what's the point of Gen Room, if the side objective is at it's entrance? Maybe Gen should be right outside the hangar doors, so you have to cross at least part of it going side? And the consoles further inside.

I love the idea of DotF rework, but this version needs a lot of changes, especially aesthetics. Right now I'd prefer the old version.
 
Last edited:
Posts
14
Likes
15
You never fail to amaze me MaceMadunusus.

Got one suggestion though. Is it possible to add more props like lets say "flags" and such to colorize and fill up some space without affecting performance? I refer to the Side Route, some ropes with flags would make it neat or some organic stuff. This idea pops up because of the BF2 Naboo map.

You're awesome.
 

Antraxo

Donator
Posts
109
Likes
117
Superb job on the map will play it soon but I have to meme a bit ... ;)

Mod is still not called "Duel of the Fates II" ... SAD!

5nplIGb.gif
 

Preston

Nerd
Posts
1,022
Likes
653
I appreciate the effort put into rework, but I have mixed feelings about it.

The new dark grey and red color scheme looks much, much worse than the old yellows, beige and light grey. The hangar feels empty. Fed room with its blank walls and weird roof is just ugly.

I like new windows and courtyard though. The new throne room and hall is great too.

But what's the point of Gen Room, if the side objective is at it's entrance? Maybe Gen should be right outside the hangar doors, so you have to cross at least part of it going side? And the consoles further inside.

I love the idea of DotF rework, but this version needs a lot of changes, especially aesthetics. Right now I'd prefer the old version.
This is exactly how I feel about the whole map, couldn't put it into words.
 
Top