My honest opinion, and my humble suggestion.

Discussion in 'Feedback & Gameplay' started by Oink Oink ?, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. noel

    noel Internal Beta Team

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    i really want to play 1.3 can someone make a server with it plzthx
     
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  2. Chaos the Chaotic

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    Is it that crap build the newbies loved since it came out during one of the recent movie releases? Everyone always loves their first impressions of greatness. Those were the days.

     
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  3. SomeGuy

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    Yeah 1.3 was the one right around TFA and it was so bad. No knockback or flinch against hordes of noob Jedi that just swung through full auto fire and traded that damage for a kill.
     
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  4. Gargos

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    Exactly. Partly the reason why b19 always remains as the worst build I’ve ever played because I started in b18.
     
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  5. President Bossk

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    Jedi were so OP in 1.3 it was ridiculous. It was to the point whoever spammed the most jedi would win almost every match.
     
  6. SeV

    SeV EU Official Server Admin Internal Beta Team

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    b19 was horrifyingly bad lol. The trauma still remains. Dueling was so shit and open mode was ruined in that patch. It stole all the fun crazy open mode stuff that was in b17-b18 and made everything boring and stale. There's certainly always that shiny new thing syndrome as well as misremembering how good the past was compared to the present. But I played since b17 and still found b19 to be really shit. Then there was rc2 which was just a joke aswell. Then the stagger shit of V0. Then v1 and v1.1 where dueling was pretty noice again. But in between the bad patches I mentioned, we had RC1 and RC3p3 which I found enjoyable.

    Anyway, I remember b18 open mode as some of the most fun gameplay ever partly because of how much I loved contact nades and corpse nades. It was also back when the competitive 5v5 was alive and well. Back before noobs like gargos joined dV8 and lowered the standards of the legendary clan!! (joke).

    I think people must take a more measured approach than either
    1. All vets are bad and wrong and just have nostalgia and their experience means nothing, and I am a glorious newfag so my opinion somehow matters more even though I have way less experience.
    2. All newfags have no idea and the game was better in the past and the longer ago the patch was, the better the patch! No discussion because newfags don't have 5+ years of exp with the mod so they clearly can't contribute anything.

    We need some middle ground. And we need the inbred 'crawl up their own ass' style people to stop demonizing the opposition and instead actually talk about what was good and what was bad, and what we need to do moving forward. MB2 development has come a long way and a lot of new and exciting stuff has been developed and is still in development, but people somehow think that you have to be either kissing the devs ass and being an obedient bottom boy, or if you raise complaints and write thoughtful criticism then you're suddenly a nostalgic oldfag egoist whose opinion doesn't matter because rose-tinted glasses or whatever.

    I mean, you wonder why the community is so strained? Take a look at the behavior of @noel and people like him. Somehow they think I am some guy full of ego and nostalgia for the past with a vendetta against new people despite the fact that I have never been outright biased against someone based on their length of playing the mod (unlike newfags who dismiss oldfags and vice versa). I have been constantly misrepresented and misconstrued and blamed for various things over the years. Trying to shut down discussions about how to make the game better by attacking each other back and forth is fruitless and pointless and if you all give in to this ridiculous notion about ego, vets, newfags, experience etc and get distracted by moviebattles II style identity politics then you're blinding yourself and helping stall the mods development rather than furthering it.

    Someone like Achilles had a lot of strange and outlandish ideas and I often disagreed with him, but he was always throwing ideas around even if he was also being retarded sometimes and calling for a return to 1.3. I also gave him the benefit of the doubt all the time, even when I thought his ideas were trash and he was ignorant about the game, I still gave him a chance. I don't see why I should walk around on eggshells and afford the same common courtesy to people who just dismiss me as an oldfag and keep repeating misconceptions about me because they think I am somehow a super ego duelist. Achilles is very different from someone like noel, who does nothing but demonize veteran players because he has a mistaken perception about us. At least achilles fought to make the game better and I can respect him for that. But I cannot respect whiny little children who fling slurs at people around them instead of talking about how to make the game better and when you come after me with slurs and disrespect, all I do is hold up a mirror so you can see your own ugly reflection.
     
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  7. WaceMindu

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    Why did you have to ruin your three perfect starting paragraphs I completely agree with by doing exactly what you're criticizing afterwards - straw-manning and continuing the flame war ? :(
    Nevertheless, completely agree on the 3 first paragraphs.
     
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  8. SeV

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    Because I don't really care about MB2 any longer and if they want to commit assisted suicide I am here to help.
     
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  9. noel

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    I dont know where you're pulling that idea from since I repeatedly said that I agreed with most, but not all, of what you were saying, then you randomly start getting all ad hominem on me

    I really think you're the one in the wrong here, I haven't 'demonized' anything you've said, I was simply stating that I think the readdition of NB and nudge are a paticularly bad idea which appeal to older members of the community and not the newer, active scene. I really don't know why you've suddenly taken a hatred for me when I was explicitly showing support for your suggestions.

    I think there has been some kind of grave miscommunication, and the reality is that you're now demonizing me; someone who is attempting to speak from the new generation EU dueling community.
     
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  10. Chaos the Chaotic

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    Silence heathen! Your sweet, honey pot lies come too little, too late.

    You're both duelfags. Melee slap was the worst addition ever!

    t(-_-)t
     
  11. SeV

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    Well one good thing has come of these posts where you project your own perceptions on me and tell me what I think. You're now capitalizing your sentences a bit and at least making an attempt at grammar.

    In any case, all it feels like to me is that you keep telling me what I think, like I hate you or whatever, which is not the case. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. You should probably cease with these inane posts where you start shit with someone and then when I decide to lob the shit sandwich back, you turn around and go 'but why do you hate me!?" I am not like Anakin from episode 3, though you give me the impression that you've taken lessons in emotional stability from Mr. Sand is rough and course on Tatooine after he had his fun with the tuskens.

     
  12. noel

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    I don't really understand how I've thrown anything at you, I mean if you look at the recent thread where you went brazy on me out of nowhere, I think you'll find that I simply expressed an opinion, didn't mention your name or anything and you suddenly took it personally. I really couldn't give a fuck about capitalizing sentences, I fucking hate doing it because you sound like a pretentious cunt any time you type anything but if it makes you happy go for it, busta.

    as for your niche star wars reference, that doesn't make any sense to me so i'll just nod in agreement
     
  13. MaceMadunusus

    MaceMadunusus Level Designer Movie Battles II Team

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    As much as noel hasn't been the greatest either in recent posts.....

     
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  14. SeV

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    My favorite.

     
  15. FrenzY

    FrenzY Internal Beta Leader Movie Battles II Team

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    Agree, especially w regards to B17/18 although B19 had some major graphics improvements which were nice. RC1 / RC3p3 were definitely the good builds. We can agree on that. I don't know if I would agree v1 / 1.1 were where dueling got that much better, the cyan / purple stuff was way off and duals/staff...meh. Can't claim to be a know-it-all as I did not seriously duel much, but I wouldn't say things were balanced. Fun, maybe...balanced? No.
    You're literally flinging slurs in the same post you complain about folks using slurs. Try expanding your vocabulary.

    Anyways, y'all got too much time on your hands to be dolling out insults and playing 'the better man'. Just state your opinion, agree, disagree and move on. If you want to complain and not be constructive (lots of just complaining in this thread), try a diary or a mirror.

    Unless something goes horribly wrong with bugs, the next duel updates that get rolled out (Tempest's + some o' Stass' wild ideas) and smoothed-out will give us the best dueling updates we have had in a long time imo. It's exciting times we live in now.
     
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  16. Azuvector

    Azuvector Movie Battles II Team Retired

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    I'm not sure offhand what version it corresponds to, and I doubt it's final stuff, but I do have a backup of MBII source that appears to date back to 2008, if that's helpful? Looking at some of the comments, I think it's at least RC1 or RC2? There's some zip file in the repository that mentions B18, too....

    This might just be what's currently available anyhow. Mishmash of WIP stuff.

    https://i.imgur.com/KaC8bsi.png

    Also have some unversioned .rar file of mbiisource dating from 2006 sometime. Not sure what's in there specifically, since it doesn't look to have a change history tied to it. Might predate the MBII SVN? Definitely predates MBII git.

    Give me a poke on Discord or Slack if desired. I login here so infrequently...
     
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  17. Chaos the Chaotic

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    Get back to work coding for mb!
     
  18. MaceMadunusus

    MaceMadunusus Level Designer Movie Battles II Team

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    Comments to me look like definitely after RC1 but most likely also pre-RC2.
     
  19. Azuvector

    Azuvector Movie Battles II Team Retired

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    No time. Went back to school. Full course load is painful. I'm too old for this stuff.
     
  20. Chaos the Chaotic

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    I know the feeling.

    To better days, when eyes were brighter and younger, time was plentiful and the inevitable decline of body and mind did not weigh down upon your soul. :(

    I need a winning lottery ticket or a rich sugar momma. o_O
    Or a plan and a target.
     

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