Moviebattles II R21.8.00 Released

ThEra · 2026-01-14T12:54:13+0000

Can i borrow your chatGPT prompts

Teh Evil Cow · 2026-01-14T13:00:10+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
Someone who's afraid of showing their real face using a reference to the first transformers movie creating a secondary account because they're a sad loser.

I can't help but notice that this isn't the first time a newly created no name account intervened in a 2cwldys/Mace argument on 2cwldys's side

[SE] Maren · 2026-01-14T13:22:02+0000

ThEra said:
Can i borrow your chatGPT prompts

I'm featured!!!

Shottyz · 2026-01-14T14:06:10+0000

Continued derailment of the thread will lead to it being locked.

Keep it clean please.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T14:14:05+0000

Teh Evil Cow said:
I can't help but notice that this isn't the first time a newly created no name account intervened in a 2cwldys/Mace argument on 2cwldys's side

I honestly have no clue who it is, but oml do they come in clutch.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T14:14:35+0000

Shottyz said:
Continued derailment of the thread will lead to it being locked.

Keep it clean please.

I think it's pretty important stuff and not derailment, actually. But not the first time it'll be locked instead of letting people speak their minds. MBII in a nutshell. How dare you have conversations about the game's glaring problems, and try to keep Mace from ragebaiting people about Legends discussion, because he alike many devs don't even actually play the actual game to know what they're remotely talking about.

The Unguided · 2026-01-14T14:29:22+0000

Speaking of yesterday evening only, I switched twice from Gonk (Legends) to Colosseum (Open) and then back. I personally had a good time on both but that's not the point.
The vibe was all too different. Colo had the old veterans - some I thought to be retired - and scrimmers playing. Gonk had the "trolls" and potential newbies/not too familiar faces online. The only overlap was me and maybe some 1-2 more people.
Thinking of Discord chat, there are folks openly expressing their lack of interest in playing Legends and it's the very same people who played on Colo last night.
In the last couple of years I've seen youtubers talking about MB2 Legends, streaming it, playing it, praising it. They don't do it for Open. Tbf I don't remember this type of unintended "marketing" ever happening for Open except for fragvids usually made by veterans - sometimes casuals or trolls. It's fair to say there clearly is a separate set of playergroup for the two game modes with minor overlap.

I may not be too sure about Legends not getting new players, I believe it somewhat does, the numbers just aren't anything extreme. When I see a newbie asking for help in #support, when I see white names asking anything, it usually comes down to them wanting to check out the very game mode they've seen a recent stream of on youtube - which is Legends. For some reason they get into it easier.

Nonetheless I think Legends nowadays gets mistaken to Power Battles. This has to stop. No more classes like wampa, nor silly OP/melee classes with no lore to back it up whatsoever. "The model of the character exists so let's make it a class" mentality is I get here. If some characters/classes don't fit the bill, don't add them for the sake of their presence. The fundamental idea of Legends is technically a collective FA mode, you know, *Full Authentic* just universal aka not map dependant. However too many silly additions ruin this philosophy. Right, no need to go 100% lore accurate but using it as a guideline or inspiration is highly warranted. Doing the exact opposite is not creative freedom, it's something not-Legends. You might as well make a new game mode for that, - oh wait, it exists, it's PB - keep overly silly stuff out of Legends.

As for Open. Removing ATTN for the time being was most probably the first step into the right direction. Now, gimme new classes and Conquest!

Ghosterino · 2026-01-14T14:43:54+0000

Here's a suggestion from someone who has played for almost 24 years:

Delete Legends.

Mace is correct. Splitting the already small community in two has killed open mode.

@Fang @Pokrew @Leons @YamThePrussian

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T14:58:54+0000

The Unguided said:
Nonetheless I think Legends nowadays gets mistaken to Power Battles. This has to stop. No more classes like wampa, nor silly OP/melee classes with no lore to back it up whatsoever. "The model of the character exists so let's make it a class" mentality is I get here. If some characters/classes don't fit the bill, don't add them for the sake of their presence. The fundamental idea of Legends is technically a collective FA mode, you know, *Full Authentic* just universal aka not map dependant. However too many silly additions ruin this philosophy. Right, no need to go 100% lore accurate but using it as a guideline or inspiration is highly warranted. Doing the exact opposite is not creative freedom, it's something not-Legends. You might as well make a new game mode for that, - oh wait, it exists, it's PB - keep overly silly stuff out of Legends.

To be honest I just saw them as additions for a dec-jan "christmas" "new year" update, surely they didn't mean to leave wampa in forever?

The Unguided · 2026-01-14T15:11:20+0000

2cwldys said:
To be honest I just saw them as additions for a dec-jan "christmas" "new year" update, surely they didn't mean to leave wampa in forever?

They didn't mean to grant Palpatine emergency powers forever. Right? Right?!

I mean yeah they didn't at first. But then... the spirit of Legends took over even the sanest of minds.

Wildbilliv4 · 2026-01-14T15:16:06+0000

Goosto said:
Well, Legends has had no pop issues, in fact in the last couple of years some hardcore-committed communities have sprung up, ensuring pop even at 5 AM on a weekday. I can also say from experience people have specifically come to this game for Legends, or found Open not to their taste but stuck around for Legends. The more chaotic/casual appeal of playing as a little rat, for instance, is too strong.

Open players have a disorganization problem, where you will see 10 people at a time bitching on discord because of a lack of pop, blaming it on everyone but themselves. Some times you just gotta idle on a server til it grows, I've done it for every mode.

When I talk about squandering our tools, I mean artificially limiting the game's growth because of unfounded fear of fragmentation, developer vendetta against valid modes like RP or fun plugins, etc.

Agree that Open needs more though. I see it as having an identity crisis split between hardcore, change-resistant players and players that want to see more FA-style implements.

The death of AOD and TR has had consequences that people didn’t see…like not having pop at 5 am and doing all the dirty work. People hated on either server for various reasons but atleast they were there

Wildbilliv4 · 2026-01-14T15:41:08+0000

Goosto said:
The player base isn't split due to having both Open and Legends, they have different appeal, you take away one and most people would not migrate to the other.

The shrinking of the player base is due to poor Open/Duel balancing (now being fixed, shout outs NPC/Leons), lack of custom mode support/hostility towards it, Star Wars being shit, lack of interest, life stuff, etc. Scrimming, as much as I enjoy it, also takes away from public Open pop.

Players find their niches and hang out there. This is so obvious: give power to server owners, it's a winning formula, look at any Valve multiplayer! This game will live and die on its community, that's why I try to teach a man to fish with FA creation so it can be self-sustaining. Why squander all our tools?

As for Legends Jedi/Sith, they will continue to top score and be popular. Everything was shifted alongside them, it is practically a QoL update in many respects. I realize no one reads patch notes but some of you would benefit from a quick skim. I'm quite happy with the update, other than warp speed Calo Nord.

I disagree that scrimming takes away Open pop. AOD did not have this problem, but it was mandated you pop open and there has not been a successful 24/7 server since the DDOS days. That’s the issue. I absolutely think the game can sustain two player groups. I personally don’t like legends and there’s atleast dozens!!! Of us. Several unfun patches were released + DDOS+ AOD/TR dying left open a hellscape that no one wanted to touch + out of touch devs not understanding the mode. It’s only just now the last year or so it clicked and we’re on the cusp of greatness.

Also I don’t understand the edgelord scrim hate- it’s a subset community that is open to whoever to play and a group willing to teach whoever to be better if they want to be a good player. Both NA and EU are like this. Plus if an open server is popped and the scrimmers leave oh boy now there’s “no tryhards” for a while.

But absolutely spot on take goosto, especially with the RP server bit. Holy balls the player base wants an RP troll server just give it to them. I remember when Cheeks as community manager pitched this to a dev and was told “it’s stupid”. This was like 3 years ago. Quit being closed off.

Also mace and 2c just kiss already. Yall are so similar it’s ridiculous. Ego big enough for a balloon

Shottyz · 2026-01-14T15:56:12+0000

2cwldys said:
I think it's pretty important stuff and not derailment, actually. But not the first time it'll be locked instead of letting people speak their minds. MBII in a nutshell. How dare you have conversations about the game's glaring problems, and try to keep Mace from ragebaiting people about Legends discussion, because he alike many devs don't even actually play the actual game to know what they're remotely talking about.

Speak your mind all you want, just make your own thread on it. Having a two-way argument solves nothing, if it's so important, both of you can move it to DMs.

I suggest you take a gander at our rules, to help prevent any future actions being taken.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T15:58:16+0000

Even if I made my own thread it would be locked too, because it happens every time, cause the forums, much like in the discord the truth speakers become punished or silenced.

He's also got me blocked so its difficult to take it to "PMs" as if you act like that's so easy.

The problems I highlight is how badly the devs view anyone who makes things for their game, which is piss poor, infract me all you want. It doesn't hide the truth to be honest. Maybe you should stop allowing Mace to act completely unhinged left and right if he claims to be "retired" these things wouldnt happen.

Shottyz · 2026-01-14T16:03:22+0000

2cwldys said:
Maybe you should stop allowing Mace to act completely unhinged left and right if he claims to be "retired" these things wouldnt happen.

Maybe you should stop gaslighting everyone who disagrees with you?

nomad.marshall · 2026-01-14T16:07:27+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
Someone who's afraid of showing their real face using a reference to the first transformers movie creating a secondary account because they're a sad loser.

1st transformers movie was goated tbh, michael bays best film

MaceMadunusus · 2026-01-14T16:10:13+0000

2cwldys said:
Maybe you should stop allowing Mace to act completely unhinged left and right if he claims to be "retired" these things wouldnt happen.

I apparently cant post on discord, or post on forums because I'm retired. 200 IQ logic right there. I'm not contributing to the game at all in an official capacity anymore. Literally under the exact same rules you are.

Cam'Ronin · 2026-01-14T16:53:53+0000

Children. Can we keep the replies relevant to the thread & mute the fucking instigators permanently for once??? Open/MB2 is dying because the first thing anyone sees when they read the latest patch notes is 40 year old men arguing over shit

Ham1 · 2026-01-14T17:16:19+0000

I would like to say that this IS a good update btw. It took us a bit to get here but better late than never. Open feels more fun than it was a year ago and I appreciate what's been added and tweaked on for Open and Legends so far(besides the Calo Nord on fucking Speedball). Dueling from what I played feels great as well. That's all.

Duckshark · 2026-01-14T18:40:02+0000

People like to shit on stuff but I think things are headed in the overall right direction - I wanna make sure Jedi/Sith doesn't turn back into Push 3 + Blaster defense being the default build to keep some gameplay variety, but other than that it's pretty nice! It's been a few years since new stuff was "right around the corner" and I'd love to see that pushed through eventually.

The marginal changes like minigun and clone carbine, as well as the sold weapons, are also really solid, I just want new classes & abilities and not just weapons.

Moviebattles II R21.8.00 Released

ThEra

Teh Evil Cow

[SE] Maren

Shottyz

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

The Unguided

Model Director

Ghosterino

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

The Unguided

Model Director

Wildbilliv4

Wildbilliv4

Shottyz

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

Shottyz

nomad.marshall

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

Cam'Ronin

Ham1

Duckshark