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2cwldys

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I didn't bring you in, you couldn't believe me at face value, so you took it upon yourself to join back and look into the development chat to try to catch me on some lie which you're still struggling to do. Go on ahead, the whole community is "listening." I'm just sitting here laughing because you're proving all my points of this post.
 

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I didn't bring you in, you couldn't believe me at face value, so you took it upon yourself to join back and look into the development chat to try to catch me on some lie which you're still struggling to do.

I didn't do it specifically to catch you in a lie, I did it to simply see what conversation there was surrounding your work, relay any concerns being said, etc. and then I found out that you happened to be exaggerating and misrepresenting the situation because I look at the chat and I see the entire team, including defiant, talking about how we can make your dream a reality and make it so that other creators can do the same and benefit from the work as well so that the mod as a whole can benefit from new systems to increase the modding capability of mb2 even further.

They care, you just seem to have unrealistic expectations of timespans that these things can happen in on a volunteer project where people have real jobs and obligations. If this was an actual game, where people were paid, yeah this stuff could definitely happen a lot faster. It just simply isnt the reality for this project though. Things will always be slower than we like because of the environment we live in.
 

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I got frustrated when you wouldn't even take your own words to mean anything, and I rejoined discord and found that you were lying to me about the sequence of events by simply reading back in chats. You're the one that messaged me, someone who wasn't actively a part of the team, to rant about the team at 2 in the morning.

I didn't do it specifically to catch you in a lie, I did it to simply see what conversation there was surrounding your work, relay any concerns being said, etc. and then I found out that you happened to be exaggerating and misrepresenting the situation because I look at the chat and I see the entire team, including defiant, talking about how we can make your dream a reality and make it so that other creators can do the same and benefit from the work as well so that the mod as a whole can benefit from new systems to increase the modding capability of mb2 even further.

They care, you just seem to have unrealistic expectations of timespans that these things can happen in on a volunteer project where people have real jobs and obligations. If this was an actual game, where people were paid, yeah this stuff could definitely happen a lot faster. It just simply isnt the reality for this project though. Things will always be slower than we like because of the environment we live in.


Absolutely wild.
 

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I guess, just like Dementous, I'm a worthless person who causes nothing but problems:

Well considering I never said anything like that, and I never said that your work was bad, just that it needed some work from others in order to be a part of the main release. Which is just my opinion. I really think you need to find someone to help you dude, because this is an unhealthy mindset.
 

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The button to update the SVN is so far from my chair uggggggg

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you had a schizo autistic meltdown in my PMs
So wait, you wanted Mace to play your FA, he refused, and that qualifies as a "schizo autistic meltdown"? LOL

Aight look man, I've talked mad shit to Mace back in the day for DotF v2 and all that, but this just isn't it.... maybe try not getting so angry when ppl don't want to play or engage with your work?
 

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So wait, you wanted Mace to play your FA, he refused, and that qualifies as a "schizo autistic meltdown"? LOL

Aight look man, I've talked mad shit to Mace back in the day for DotF v2 and all that, but this just isn't it.... maybe try not getting so angry when ppl don't want to play or engage with your work?

You literally have nothing better to contribute to this thread? Fuck off.
 

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It's not a matter of a simple refusal, the guy is retired and asserting what others should do with their work while being out the picture, and somehow doing that "annoys them out of retirement?" What kind of retarded shit is that?
 

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Other people can certify that I do not do that. Not once. Multiple developers have tried out this mode, before going to him, and before joining in on a thread, maybe you should get your facts straight before writing anything?
 
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I didn't do it specifically to catch you in a lie, I did it to simply see what conversation there was surrounding your work, relay any concerns being said, etc. and then I found out that you happened to be exaggerating and misrepresenting the situation because I look at the chat and I see the entire team, including defiant, talking about how we can make your dream a reality and make it so that other creators can do the same and benefit from the work as well so that the mod as a whole can benefit from new systems to increase the modding capability of mb2 even further.

They care, you just seem to have unrealistic expectations of timespans that these things can happen in on a volunteer project where people have real jobs and obligations. If this was an actual game, where people were paid, yeah this stuff could definitely happen a lot faster. It just simply isnt the reality for this project though. Things will always be slower than we like because of the environment we live in.
First and foremost, Mace, I find your response emblematic of the very issues that 2cwldys and others have raised regarding the development team’s approach to contributors and the broader culture of this project. While you attempt to frame your arguments as a balanced perspective on the challenges of volunteer development, your points consistently deflect from the core grievances being expressed and reveal a pattern of double standards and self-serving rhetoric.

1. “Volunteer Work Excuse” as a Deflection Tactic

You repeatedly emphasize the volunteer nature of this project, using it as a shield to deflect valid criticisms. While it is true that coordinating a team of volunteers presents unique challenges, this fact does not absolve the team—especially senior members like yourself—from addressing issues of transparency, respect, and fairness. The volunteer status of the team does not justify sidelining contributors, ignoring their input, or retaining creative control over their work without proper communication.

Moreover, this “volunteer excuse” is hypocritical when juxtaposed with your expectations for contributors. You demand professionalism, effort, and commitment from people who are also volunteering their time. If the developers are allowed to lean on their real-life commitments to justify delays or inaction, why are contributors like 2cwldys not afforded the same understanding when he expresses frustration with the team’s inefficiency and lack of support? You cannot have it both ways.

2. Misrepresentation of the Team’s Efforts

You claim that the team has been actively discussing ways to integrate 2cwldys’s work and improve the modding capabilities of the game. However, if these discussions were truly genuine and productive, why would 2cwldys feel the need to voice such strong dissatisfaction in the first place? Actions speak louder than words, and the lack of tangible progress or meaningful communication undermines your argument.

Your insistence that the team is working hard behind the scenes comes off as damage control rather than an honest acknowledgment of the issues at hand. If the team genuinely values contributors, it would take proactive steps to ensure they feel heard and respected. Instead, the consistent theme here is contributors being left in the dark, their work controlled by gatekeepers, and their frustrations dismissed.

3. Retention of Creative Control

One of the most troubling aspects of this discussion is the development team’ss insistence on retaining control over contributed content, even when it goes against the creator’s wishes. This practice is not only disrespectful but also deeply discouraging to current and potential contributors. When someone invests their time and energy into creating something, they deserve autonomy and recognition for their efforts.

Your justification for this practice—that’s it’s for the “greater good” of the project—rings hollow. By sidelining creators in favor of some nebulous idea of cohesion, you alienate the very people who could bring fresh ideas and energy to the project. If the team’s goal is truly to foster a thriving modding community, it should be empowering contributors, not micromanaging them.

4. Time Zone and Communication Issues

Bringing up a message received at 2:48 AM as an example of communication challenges is, frankly, a weak argument. Time zones are a logistical hurdle in any global project, but they are not an excuse for poor communication practices. If the team values its contributors, it should establish clear and consistent communication channels that accommodate different time zones. Blaming time zones for misunderstandings only highlights a lack of proper planning and coordination.

5. Minimizing Legitimate Grievances

Your response consistently downplays the frustrations expressed by 2cwldys and others, framing them as a misunderstanding of how volunteer projects work. This is both patronizing and dismissive. Contributors are not ignorant of the challenges inherent in such projects—they are frustrated by the unnecessary obstacles created by the development team’s internal politics and bureaucracy.

The assertion that 2cwldys has “unrealistic expectations” is particularly disingenuous. The expectations he’s expressed—fair treatment, respect for their work, and clear communication—are entirely reasonable. By framing these demands as unrealistic, you shift the blame onto contributors instead of addressing the systemic issues within the team.

6. Contradictions in Your Argumentation

Throughout your response, you present yourself as someone who values contributors and wants to improve the project, yet your actions and policies suggest otherwise. For example:


• You claim to support creativity and innovation, but the team’s rigid control over content stifles these very qualities.

• You emphasize the importance of teamwork, yet contributors like 2cwldys are excluded and undervalued.

• You acknowledge the need for better modding capabilities, yet little progress has been made on this front.

These contradictions undermine your credibility and suggest that your words are more about maintaining appearances than enacting real change.

7. The Broader Implications

Finally, your handling of this situation has broader implications for the future of the project. If contributors feel undervalued and stifled, they will stop contributing. This will lead to stagnation and a decline in community engagement. The development team must recognize that its survival depends on fostering a supportive and inclusive environment for all contributors, not just those who conform to its rigid structure.

Conclusion

Mace, your response is emblematic of a development team that has lost sight of its core purpose: to create a thriving, collaborative community. Instead of addressing valid concerns with humility and a willingness to change, you have resorted to deflection, misrepresentation, and an over-reliance on the “volunteer work” excuse. This approach is not sustainable and will only serve to alienate contributors further.

If the team truly wants to move forward, it must:

1. Establish clear guidelines and expectations for contributors, ensuring transparency and fairness.

2. Respect the autonomy of creators and their right to control their own work.

3. Foster open and consistent communication, with mechanisms for addressing grievances constructively.

4. Take concrete actions to support contributors, rather than relying on empty promises and rhetoric.

Until these changes are made, the frustrations expressed by contributors like 2cwldys will remain valid, and the development team will continue to face criticism for its handling of the project.
 
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You literally have nothing better to contribute to this thread? Fuck off.
You sound EXACTLY like old Mace LOL. Listen, if you want to roast the MB2 devs and present yourself as a superior specimen, you gotta check your attitude.

This entire thread looks like you got omega butthurt because Mace and Defi didn't do exactly as you wanted, so you yourself decided to go on a "schizo autistic meltdown".
 
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Perhaps I have lost the dream of contributing freely to a project I once loved, perhaps I have lost the time and energy I poured into this work for the benefit of a community I once believed in, and perhaps I have even lost the naive hope that respect and collaboration could thrive in a space shackled by your control. Perhaps I have lost everything to this petty gatekeeper who cloaks himself in a veil of volunteerism to mask his incompetence and disingenuous deflection. But what I have not lost, MaceMadunusus, is my resolve—and a man with resolve is never truly silenced. That is something you will never understand, blinded as you are by your inflated sense of authority and the fragile power you cling to in this tiny corner of the world.

You hide behind excuses of volunteer challenges and time zones, yet your actions betray your words. You speak of collaboration, yet you quash the very contributors who strive to breathe life into this project. You preach respect, yet offer none. You act as if your self-appointed throne is untouchable, but I see you for what you are and always have been—a hypocritical autocrat whose legacy will amount to nothing more than stifled creativity, fractured community, and a stench of self-serving bureaucracy.

I pity the fresh-faced contributors who stumble into this environment, naive to the labyrinth of your false promises. They’ll soon see that you view them as tools to be used and discarded, pawns in your endless bid to maintain control at all costs. But rest assured, Mace, I will not stop until your facade crumbles, until your hypocrisy is laid bare before the very community you claim to serve. For your legacy is not one of leadership or innovation but one of selfish obstruction, of strangling the potential of others to preserve your illusion of relevance. You may dismiss me, belittle me, or attempt to silence me, but history will remember who stood for truth and who cowered behind their own hollow words.

You have mistaken this community’s patience for acquiescence and their goodwill for ignorance, but the tide is turning. Perhaps you think your position is secure, but every empire built on deceit and exploitation has eventually crumbled under the weight of its own hubris. And when that time comes, it will not be I who is exposed as a fraud—it will be you.

You cannot hide from the consequences of your own actions forever, Mace. The reckoning is coming.
 

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You sound EXACTLY like old Mace LOL. Listen, if you want to roast the MB2 devs and present yourself as a superior specimen, you gotta check your attitude.

This entire thread looks like you got omega butthurt because Mace and Defi didn't do exactly as you wanted, so you yourself decided to go on a "schizo autistic meltdown".

Who the fuck are you again? OH yeah, some nobody. Literally, get your facts straight before trying to ever talk to me again.
 

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First and foremost, Mace, I find your response emblematic of the very issues that 2cwldys and others have raised regarding the development team’s approach to contributors and the broader culture of this project. While you attempt to frame your arguments as a balanced perspective on the challenges of volunteer development, your points consistently deflect from the core grievances being expressed and reveal a pattern of double standards and self-serving rhetoric.

1. “Volunteer Work Excuse” as a Deflection Tactic

You repeatedly emphasize the volunteer nature of this project, using it as a shield to deflect valid criticisms. While it is true that coordinating a team of volunteers presents unique challenges, this fact does not absolve the team—especially senior members like yourself—from addressing issues of transparency, respect, and fairness. The volunteer status of the team does not justify sidelining contributors, ignoring their input, or retaining creative control over their work without proper communication.

Moreover, this “volunteer excuse” is hypocritical when juxtaposed with your expectations for contributors. You demand professionalism, effort, and commitment from people who are also volunteering their time. If the developers are allowed to lean on their real-life commitments to justify delays or inaction, why are contributors like 2cwldys not afforded the same understanding when he expresses frustration with the team’s inefficiency and lack of support? You cannot have it both ways.

2. Misrepresentation of the Team’s Efforts

You claim that the team has been actively discussing ways to integrate 2cwldys’s work and improve the modding capabilities of the game. However, if these discussions were truly genuine and productive, why would 2cwldys feel the need to voice such strong dissatisfaction in the first place? Actions speak louder than words, and the lack of tangible progress or meaningful communication undermines your argument.

Your insistence that the team is working hard behind the scenes comes off as damage control rather than an honest acknowledgment of the issues at hand. If the team genuinely values contributors, it would take proactive steps to ensure they feel heard and respected. Instead, the consistent theme here is contributors being left in the dark, their work controlled by gatekeepers, and their frustrations dismissed.

3. Retention of Creative Control

One of the most troubling aspects of this discussion is the development team’ss insistence on retaining control over contributed content, even when it goes against the creator’s wishes. This practice is not only disrespectful but also deeply discouraging to current and potential contributors. When someone invests their time and energy into creating something, they deserve autonomy and recognition for their efforts.

Your justification for this practice—that’s it’s for the “greater good” of the project—rings hollow. By sidelining creators in favor of some nebulous idea of cohesion, you alienate the very people who could bring fresh ideas and energy to the project. If the team’s goal is truly to foster a thriving modding community, it should be empowering contributors, not micromanaging them.

4. Time Zone and Communication Issues

Bringing up a message received at 2:48 AM as an example of communication challenges is, frankly, a weak argument. Time zones are a logistical hurdle in any global project, but they are not an excuse for poor communication practices. If the team values its contributors, it should establish clear and consistent communication channels that accommodate different time zones. Blaming time zones for misunderstandings only highlights a lack of proper planning and coordination.

5. Minimizing Legitimate Grievances

Your response consistently downplays the frustrations expressed by 2cwldys and others, framing them as a misunderstanding of how volunteer projects work. This is both patronizing and dismissive. Contributors are not ignorant of the challenges inherent in such projects—they are frustrated by the unnecessary obstacles created by the development team’s internal politics and bureaucracy.

The assertion that 2cwldys has “unrealistic expectations” is particularly disingenuous. The expectations he’s expressed—fair treatment, respect for their work, and clear communication—are entirely reasonable. By framing these demands as unrealistic, you shift the blame onto contributors instead of addressing the systemic issues within the team.

6. Contradictions in Your Argumentation

Throughout your response, you present yourself as someone who values contributors and wants to improve the project, yet your actions and policies suggest otherwise. For example:


• You claim to support creativity and innovation, but the team’s rigid control over content stifles these very qualities.

• You emphasize the importance of teamwork, yet contributors like 2cwldys are excluded and undervalued.

• You acknowledge the need for better modding capabilities, yet little progress has been made on this front.

These contradictions undermine your credibility and suggest that your words are more about maintaining appearances than enacting real change.

7. The Broader Implications

Finally, your handling of this situation has broader implications for the future of the project. If contributors feel undervalued and stifled, they will stop contributing. This will lead to stagnation and a decline in community engagement. The development team must recognize that its survival depends on fostering a supportive and inclusive environment for all contributors, not just those who conform to its rigid structure.

Conclusion

Mace, your response is emblematic of a development team that has lost sight of its core purpose: to create a thriving, collaborative community. Instead of addressing valid concerns with humility and a willingness to change, you have resorted to deflection, misrepresentation, and an over-reliance on the “volunteer work” excuse. This approach is not sustainable and will only serve to alienate contributors further.

If the team truly wants to move forward, it must:

1. Establish clear guidelines and expectations for contributors, ensuring transparency and fairness.

2. Respect the autonomy of creators and their right to control their own work.

3. Foster open and consistent communication, with mechanisms for addressing grievances constructively.

4. Take concrete actions to support contributors, rather than relying on empty promises and rhetoric.

Until these changes are made, the frustrations expressed by contributors like 2cwldys will remain valid, and the development team will continue to face criticism for its handling of the project.

Thank you for this, I think it put it into better words than I could've.
 
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Who the fuck are you again? OH yeah, some nobody. Literally, get your facts straight before trying to ever talk to me again.
Could you please pinpoint the inaccuracies? The screenshots you yourself posted show that you reached out to Mace to ask him to try your FA, he refused, and that sent you on some sort of a downward spiral.

What I'm trying to understand here is why his refusal to play it is such a big deal. He's not even active anymore, he's RETIRED. Do you just not take "no" as an answer in your life?
 
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