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Yeah but if the Jedi is charging it in a face to face encounter he will be wide open the whole time. It would be less risky, but require more skill, for an instant push knockdown by aiming.

Push right now kind of is for morons, as you put it. My whole point is that it should be just as difficult to use as any other force power or ability in the game instead of being hands down the easiest. I don't want to nerf it for it's support capabilites, but rather see some change so the...

Dude it's just a discussion on what these things may do. If you see a problem, politely point it out. I mean I can see a problem with a straight up nerf like increased cost and cooldown, but what's so bad about a small delay like the Mando Wrist Laser? Attentive people will be able to push...

Okay well I don't feel many people clearly see the point of this thread and it is just spiraling into a flame war. So I have edited my initial post to try and explain what exactly this is meant to do. Please re read it. There is a big difference from somebody not understanding what you are...

@Preston Every single post you have put into this thread has been rude and nonconstructive. I'm done feeding the troll. It drives me insane when people can't see my side of something and everybody that posts Hold Shift Lulz is being narrow sighted and closed minded and has completely missed the...

The problem here is you assume I want Jedi and Push to be useless. That is not the case. I want it to be more situational and thought towards. But trying to explain anything to you while you still miss the point is like trying to shove a brick through a pipe. Maybe I'll try it in shorter and...

And the E-11 is only because it is the only choice for Soldiers. Many classes have access to it, also. But a lot of times the E-11 gets overshadowered by things like Pistol 3 because it just plain better and cheaper. That's another issue I see. Jedi have the greatest amount of things to choose...

Thanks for not reading and understanding a single thing I proposed. And it is class vs class. But for the most part all the other powers remain untouched and Push is the primary focus of the Jedi, which I think is the issue. Please before you say anything like that at least read what people say...

FYI I don't want to nerf it to uselessness like dodge currently is, I just think it needs a change to reward skillful players more and punish bad users more. So while I was at work just going zombie through it thinking in my head about what everyone has said in the thread and the way the other...

You're always assuming a Jedi will just stand right out in the open and tank every shot. They dodge left and right, hop up and down, and use cover to regain their FP. Sure the experienced gunner can keep his FP from full but in the end it is not 50/50. It's more like 65/35 with the Jedi out on...

Preston, you're only saying the same thing over and over, basically being a troll deliberately trying to shut this thread down on the basis of your opinion. Not to mention your main argument, put into shorter terms, is git gud l2aim. Push 3 is just way too easy to use to knock down and get a...

I remember all that stuff too. Some of it was ridiculous while others were whatever. I remember when clones could blob all day long and use it like artillery. The only thing though that has remained a constant is Jedi and Sith very core reliance on Push. The sad thing is that they have the most...

If it only dodges headshots that kinda defeats the purpose since most snipes are headshots. And having one excluded is stupid too.... But that's for a different topic.

But what other force powers actually need a nerf? Grip has the long lock on, lightning needs very close range, mind trick has a short window, and speed is burst controlled, sense does not dodge sniper shots, and pull has very short range and needs direct aim. Push is the only one that is so...

But that's the thing Preston. If they're decent. A bad Jedi can still be somewhat competent because of Push. If you make it require more aim to knockdown then they need to be a decent Jedi too, and then it will still be just as effective for them. It all needs to be an even playing field because...

Yeah you kinda get it but the problem with that is up close gunners can just bum rush a Jedi and negate the push due how hard it is to aim that close. I think it should be easy up close and hard far away.

My idea is to make it harder to knockdown at longer ranges. Also it's a very crude image I spent like 3 minutes on. Pushing back groups and projectiles is normal, while knockdown is focused. Easier to knockdown up close that's why it's inverted.

Okay so I made a crude image to represent what I mean.

The first one is exactly what my idea is :p I figured aim at long range and be easier up close to prevent gunners from just bum rushing Jedi and shooting point blank. Point blank it would basically be the same as it is now, just not as far a range.

There is a huge disparity with how extremely effective it is versus how cheap it is. Even a level 3 E-11 costs 21 points and has a relatively low ammo pool while Push 3 only costs 12 and is unlimited. It is just too easy. Hardly anybody uses Pull 3 and if they do, they get slaughtered if they...