Master Butters
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Good job on coming to a peaceful resolution on this. It's honestly great to know that you guys care for the community as much as you do.
Why did you guys remove another clan's group of servers off the master list?
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All's well that ends well.
On a side note i do not think there is any case law in the United States indicating "doxxing" is illegal if the information was gathered from public sources, no harassment of phone number or in person occurred or there was no valuable identifying information such as Social Security was disclosed. I don't believe linking someones name to a online pseudonym if their real name is freely published on the internet (something encouraged to never do for decades lmao how quickly we forget) is doxing. Link some statues or cases that would apply instead, because one can also just vaguely say something is illegal, if you want your argument to be airtight and beyond reproach.
Besides that sorry, if I stepped on some feelings but it was clear to me from the start no illegal activity occurred, so i defended the side on the right of the issue, if it had been clear a member had truly harassed and committed identity theft, i would have been adamantly apologizing and defending the devs decision.
On a side note i do not think there is any case law in the United States indicating "doxxing" is illegal if the information was gathered from public sources, no harassment of phone number or in person occurred or there was no valuable identifying information such as Social Security was disclosed. I don't believe linking someones name to a online pseudonym if their real name is freely published on the internet (something encouraged to never do for decades lmao how quickly we forget) is doxing. Link some statues or cases that would apply instead, because one can also just vaguely say something is illegal, if you want your argument to be airtight and beyond reproach.
Besides that sorry, if I stepped on some feelings but it was clear to me from the start no illegal activity occurred, so i defended the side on the right of the issue, if it had been clear a member had truly harassed and committed identity theft, i would have been adamantly apologizing and defending the devs decision.
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Acknowledgement.
Going 200 mph on dark country roads alone, in the middle of the night, is not the same as going 200 mph in a school zone. Both may be illegal, but they are not the same. To me the law means nothing and it cannot be blindly relied upon to provide us with moral guidance.
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People have been doxed, but you still put their server back on the master list. Genius !
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down boy, the fight's already over.
obligatory: lol no1 care if u dispapoint u retard old nobody hehehe
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I don't care if it's over, I'm here now and I got a silly little mod point for my first post.
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Mace is retired and his posts are his own opinions. The current team's formal response was given by Spaghetti in the previous page.
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Keep bad weather at your server.
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I don't have a server. I have played this game for a cumulative 3 weeks in the last 5 years.
Edit: Now I actually will flame.
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I believe that I too can write my opinion here, because I was exactly in the same situation.
Proceeding from it, and also after acquaintance with the problem described in this thread, it is possible to draw a conclusion that at the moment, the situation which prevailing in Community is unstable, and conditions are unfavorable for creation or development of new group/clan with own server.
Three months ago I decided to organize my own Project in MB2. I purchased the server in Bulgaria, has prepared .cfg file, found the website on which I received the separate section, developed the strategy of control of the server and possibilities for advancement. However, after a couple of days after opening, the MB2 management removed the server from the server list without warning or explanation. I had to personally contact the leader of the community (@Viserys) to solve this problem. The reason was an incorrect use of the plugin on our part.
After that, the server was restored to the list and stayed there for about a week, then was again removed but this time due to the error of the owner of the master server.
At that time I was strongly busy and found out that the server is again removed from the list only after 13 days since it happened. All this time the server was idle for nothing.
Fortunately I paid for the server only for a month and did not manage to form administrators team yet. On the expiration of month I closed down the project as I believed that similar cases will repeat in the future. If such topics as this appear, then my assumptions were correct.
The problem is that owners of the most popular servers are the Community leaders or their friends. And I completely understand their logic - If you have the power and opportunity to remove your competitors, then to do it immediately is the only correct decision. I would do the same. If someone tells that he would not act this way, then he is a fool.
Since I do not have any power in this Community, nor do I have good friends among the MB2 leadership, owning my own server is unprofitable for me. Because you can not compete with someone who can get rid of you at any time.
After that, the server was restored to the list and stayed there for about a week, then was again removed but this time due to the error of the owner of the master server.
At that time I was strongly busy and found out that the server is again removed from the list only after 13 days since it happened. All this time the server was idle for nothing.
Fortunately I paid for the server only for a month and did not manage to form administrators team yet. On the expiration of month I closed down the project as I believed that similar cases will repeat in the future. If such topics as this appear, then my assumptions were correct.
The problem is that owners of the most popular servers are the Community leaders or their friends. And I completely understand their logic - If you have the power and opportunity to remove your competitors, then to do it immediately is the only correct decision. I would do the same. If someone tells that he would not act this way, then he is a fool.
Since I do not have any power in this Community, nor do I have good friends among the MB2 leadership, owning my own server is unprofitable for me. Because you can not compete with someone who can get rid of you at any time.
Proceeding from it, and also after acquaintance with the problem described in this thread, it is possible to draw a conclusion that at the moment, the situation which prevailing in Community is unstable, and conditions are unfavorable for creation or development of new group/clan with own server.
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You are interperting the facts to draw your own conclusions. Your server was initially removed because you decompiled a plugin, gave it your team's name and used it on your server, without the author's permission. I tried contacting the server owners to rectify this for a few days, but couldn't find out who it was (I asked around, didn't know it was you). The server was then removed from the list knowing that you would come to me, I would explain, you'd fix the issue, and I'd put the server back. Which is exactly what happened, within 10 minutes of our conversation.
The second removal was an accident as the adminstrator of the masterserver accidentally restored an older banlist. I tracked this down as soon as you informed me and apologised to you.
Under no circumstances is any server removed due to 'competition'. That is an absolutely untrue and ridiculous claim. If that's how you would think, I'm sorry, but we most certainly don't think that way.
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Uh oh....This again....
Recap: When the devs pulled a stunt like this, taking a clan server off the master server list, I was the one that brought it up and forced them to have an argument in public to put it back up.
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Ok, so when Lou and company took Divine off the master list, I was outraged. It was basically because there had been a troll admin that didn't really give a shit, or should I say, loved not to give a shit, made it a point not to give a shit, about what he could and should not to do. That was his...role-play. I thought he was a schmuck then but, but, I didn't think it was appropriate for the devs to ban a populated server, the most popular at the time, the most popular rotation, in the US, (this was during the reign of dotf 24/7 NA) by Euro devs that only joined the server, *just because* the Midget had banned and challenged any dev to appear, so he could ban them too.
Which he did. Many of them. I giggle inside a bit
Stupid bastard. Wonder if he still plays.
*moderated*
More context, pretty much on the fuck you list for the current dev team, so if I'm taking their side, you know you're fucking morons.
God damn, I'm actually starting to respect Achilles now.
Recap: When the devs pulled a stunt like this, taking a clan server off the master server list, I was the one that brought it up and forced them to have an argument in public to put it back up.
Summary:
Ok, so when Lou and company took Divine off the master list, I was outraged. It was basically because there had been a troll admin that didn't really give a shit, or should I say, loved not to give a shit, made it a point not to give a shit, about what he could and should not to do. That was his...role-play. I thought he was a schmuck then but, but, I didn't think it was appropriate for the devs to ban a populated server, the most popular at the time, the most popular rotation, in the US, (this was during the reign of dotf 24/7 NA) by Euro devs that only joined the server, *just because* the Midget had banned and challenged any dev to appear, so he could ban them too.
Which he did. Many of them. I giggle inside a bit
Stupid bastard. Wonder if he still plays.*moderated*
More context, pretty much on the fuck you list for the current dev team, so if I'm taking their side, you know you're fucking morons.
God damn, I'm actually starting to respect Achilles now.
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Master Butters
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All I want to say about this is that this mod belongs to the devs (at least in the sense that they're the ones running the show). Since they own the master list, they can choose to remove any servers they want with or without reason, whether you or I like it or not. Thankfully, they choose to be pretty relaxed on forcing their will upon server owners. Now, I don't know about what happened with Divine and whatnot, I rarely ever pay attention to things that happen outside of AOD, but I personally think that this incident ultimately led to a good thing that happened for the MBII community as a whole.
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Ok, so I was *moderated*.
Maybe this will be *moderated* again.
Doxxing others, for any reason, is unacceptable. Especially by people like, say, Paradine. Paradine? Whose he?
Exactly.
It is completely disgusting and unacceptable that such cowards are given any attention other than revilement.
Doxx me Paradine. Here I am.
Give me a reason.
Maybe this will be *moderated* again.
Doxxing others, for any reason, is unacceptable. Especially by people like, say, Paradine. Paradine? Whose he?
Exactly.
It is completely disgusting and unacceptable that such cowards are given any attention other than revilement.
Doxx me Paradine. Here I am.
Give me a reason.
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