Moviebattles II Version 1.8 Released

Shape · Jun 22, 2021

The Unguided said:
@Lee Did you ever apply to help us? To contribute? I mean look, civilised discussions help us more than spamming when I'm sure you know a post can be edited, so there's no need.

While the way he put it is quite wrong and vulgar, his overall point is correct. This patch among many others seem to be based off the personal biased opinions of the test team and devs, instead of overall objective balance. For example, notice how almost all the nerfs seem to have impacted imperials more then rebels. Mando rocket nerf, instead of arcs in fact arc got a huge buff on almost all fronts. The sec nade nerf does more damage to imperial gunners, because rebs still have clone blobs and even the old sec nade mechanic with hero. Not to mention that almost all most imperial weapons received an FP drain nerf while the clone rifle was buffed. There are a few slight buffs here and there but overall they don't make much of a difference.

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

Kodar said:
Poor mand---
Wait a minute:
- Massive EE3 accuracy buff with a slight fp drain down, which is most likely a fp drain net buff due to accuracy.
- Westars got fixed and a slight nerf, but got convergence as a buff and are still comically silly.
- The unavoidable 15 pt win button got smacked with extremely small limitations so people can't completely rely on it like a crutch, and the world is now ending apparently.

And I thought jedis of old were entitled.

Oooo, EE3 is now a barely competent rifle, that really helps. Oh wait, everyone just used pistols before that and will continue to do so cuz they literally cost the same amount of points as lvl 2 EE3 and are much better weapons than the shitty rifle.
Westars are pretty much as good as they were, still just a worse version of the clone pistols tho.
The only rocket the mandos get got NERFED INTO OBLIVION with a bunch of Mando specific limitations... Sure, seems fair. Cuz suicide bombing is winning, I guess.
Wrist laser is now kinda shit too cuz of the delay betwing using scope and firing, and the lvl 2 EE3 scope is now basically useless. Great change, pls more.

Meanwhile ARCs get dexterity 2 as default and their sniper mode rifle got +3 to damage, 2 extra shots per clip, faster reload and etc., Clearly, no bias here, everything is absolutely fair.

Kodar said:
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Kodar said:
Sec nade was only reliable if you knew it was coming since you had to switch to it and still throw it. By that time, the rocket hit your feet. That isn't even considering the sec nade nerf that just arrived.
Blob is admittedly a decent tool, but any effort required is still placed on the clone whereas the mando presses 1 button where aim is optional.
Wook slap and barge requires them to be in range which nearly never happens.
ARC dive was never consistent in avoiding rockets. You would do well to mitigate it a little, that's it.
Depends on if you have a jedi glued to your ass.
Nevermind that none of this accounts for the mando having a team helping him so the jedi may get counterpushed, you may get naded yourself, you may be getting suppressed, or any other number of things which includes the part where imps are on defense a fuckton, which you are most definitely aware of lol

Oh no, aiming a gloon blob is too demanding, I guess.
"Wook needs to be close to slap, which almost never happens" uuuh, suicide Mandos literally get in melee range all the fucking time, and if they dont then theyre just regular Mandos and them using the rocket is completely fair, while wooks having 400 hp and tanking a rocket to the face is NOT fair.
No shit ARC dive usually just mitigates the damage. Its literally what its for. What, you want it to give you invincibility frames like in dark souls?
Counterpush my ass, Sith never help, everyone who plays the game knows this. You will die of old age before you see any teamwork being done.
If you are getting suppressed - retreat. Doesn't get more basic than that.
If you get naded near a mando, why the hell are you expecting to survive even if the mando has no rocket? Getting naded near a mando means some other class naded you, which means its a 2 v 1 (some other guy and a mando vs your ass).

Kodar said:
Sure, you can counter it. I can also technically counter 50 Arcs rocketing me simultaneously, but my odds aren't very good.

My point is that while you can, your chances are next to 0 if the mando has a functioning brain. It's not too different from a gunner vs a gunner camping a corner with sec nade pre patch. Yeah, sure, you can counter it, but your odds sit somewhere between 0 and very unlikely.

Hmmm, if mando has a functioning brain, then the enemy's chances of survival are nearly 0. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Oh wait, that applies to every other fucking class in the game, especially to jedi and sith.
Charged bowcaster shots? Fair, I guess. ARC nade launcher spam shooting? Fair. Mindtrick? Extra fair, with a cherry on top. That one Mando rocket? Ooooooo so unfair, need to ban it into oblivion.

Lee said:
Why is mag plating 14 points? This doesnt open any viable builds up, this is idiotic.

The battery recharge point cost also got decreased significantly, on top the the mag plating cost reduction, giving you 15 extra points to spend if you use Default build. Which means you can grab Health 3, ammo 2 and zoom on top of the old Default build, or do something else entirely.

cannonfodder · Jun 22, 2021

1 1 said:
The only rocket the mandos get got NERFED INTO OBLIVION with a bunch of Mando specific limitations... Sure, seems fair. Cuz suicide bombing is winning, I guess.
Wrist laser is now kinda shit too cuz of the delay betwing using scope and firing, and the lvl 2 EE3 scope is now basically useless. Great change, pls more.

The difference between Arc rockets and Mando rockets that most people seem to miss is that the arc has to actively keep his rocket loaded and equipped if he wants to shoot it, meaning he cant dex roll or high jump or shoot his normal gun. Mando on the other hand, is still able to shoot his primary gun, run and fly wherever he wants, and whenever the urge strikes him, press a button and immediately rocket. Having a gun fight with another gunner? oh I'm LOSING this gun fight? let me press my rocket button. or another example, I see a player far better than me about to turn the corner? let me press my rocket button, now you have to drain my 100 100 HP/Armor in about 1.5 seconds, good luck.

And the increased timer on the rocket jetpack is because if you have a mando flying at high speeds like 15 feet in the air when he presses his rocket button, you have pretty much no chance of flinching him within a normal timing window. and fortunately after the patch is out for a little while, if it seems to be too much, it can be tuned down.

Wrist laser, like rocket, does NOT need to be swapped to, it was a pocket P3 that did both more HP and FP drains than a normal P3, and you DIDNT need to swap weapons to use it. so not being able to shoot a 43 FP EE3 sniper shot and then immediately chain it into a stronger P3 shot that I DONT need to swap to, seems kind of fair to me.

KaniganTheMando · Jun 22, 2021

Shape said:
While the way he put it is quite wrong and vulgar, his overall point is correct. This patch among many others seem to be based off the personal biased opinions of the test team and devs, instead of overall objective balance. For example, notice how almost all the nerfs seem to have impacted imperials more then rebels. Mando rocket nerf, instead of arcs in fact arc got a huge buff on almost all fronts. The sec nade nerf does more damage to imperial gunners, because rebs still have clone blobs and even the old sec nade mechanic with hero. Not to mention that almost all most imperial weapons received an FP drain nerf while the clone rifle was buffed. There are a few slight buffs here and there but overall they don't make much of a difference.

apply for beta team and be the change you wanna see or some shit

I'm too busy irl to hop on often and voice my dissenting opinions.

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

cannonfodder said:
The difference between Arc rockets and Mando rockets that most people seem to miss is that the arc has to actively keep his rocket loaded and equipped if he wants to shoot it, meaning he cant dex roll or high jump or shoot his normal gun. Mando on the other hand, is still able to shoot his primary gun, run and fly wherever he wants, and whenever the urge strikes him, press a button and immediately rocket. Having a gun fight with another gunner? oh I'm LOSING this gun fight? let me press my rocket button. or another example, I see a player far better than me about to turn the corner? let me press my rocket button, now you have to drain my 100 100 HP/Armor in about 1.5 seconds, good luck.

That was kinda the point and the only redeeming quality of Mando's single rocket, that you could use it whenever, while ARCs have to prepare theirs and could get up to 6 of them (also, if you activate sprint before loading the rocket, you get to keep the sprint up until you stop, sooo... your point is kinda meh). Now this single advantage is pretty much gone. Can fly around then shoot the rocket? Cant do that no more. Do you realise just how long those 1.5 seconds are? Im not talking about "long enough to kill mando" (which it is, if you just aim for the head, which is easy cuz Mando cant move), but I'm talking "long enough to run the fuck away to the other end of the map". Its ridiculously long.

cannonfodder · Jun 22, 2021

1 1 said:
That was kinda the point and the only redeeming quality of Mando's single rocket, that you could use it whenever, while ARCs have to prepare theirs and could get up to 6 of them (also, if you activate sprint before loading the rocket, you get to keep the sprint up until you stop, sooo... your point is kinda meh). Now this single advantage is pretty much gone. Can fly around then shoot the rocket? Cant do that no more. Do you realise just how long those 1.5 seconds are? Im not talking about "long enough to kill mando" (which it is, if you just aim for the head, which is easy cuz Mando cant move), but I'm talking "long enough to run the fuck away to the other end of the map". Its ridiculously long.

first of all head hitboxes suck actual ass, they are incredibly inconsistent, and secondly, you act like a the mando is also not able to adjust his aim while you're running away, that's why dash and arc roll arent counters in my opinion, because sure you might not die straight up to the rocket, but your sure as hell dying to the 90+ splash damage + the knockdown that the rocket causes.

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

cannonfodder said:
Wrist laser, like rocket, does NOT need to be swapped to, it was a pocket P3 that did both more HP and FP drains than a normal P3, and you DIDNT need to swap weapons to use it. so not being able to shoot a 43 FP EE3 sniper shot and then immediately chain it into a stronger P3 shot that I DONT need to swap to, seems kind of fair to me.

Sure, you dont need to swap to the wrist laser, but you dont need to swap to the M5 sniper either. Now that arcs get 8 50 damage shots per clip, the nerf to the wrist laser is much worse than it would've been without M5 getting buffed. Before this, it was relatively fair, M5 gets 6 47 damage shots per clip, which is roughly 300 damage, and mandos had 3 100 damage shots per recharge, which is exactly 300 damage. For most people wrist laser was just a way to not waste EE3 ammo for rapid sniping. Instead, wrist laser was used more with charged pistol shots.

Arthas · Jun 22, 2021

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That was kinda the point and the only redeeming quality of Mando's single rocket, that you could use it whenever, while ARCs have to prepare theirs and could get up to 6 of them (also, if you activate sprint before loading the rocket, you get to keep the sprint up until you stop, sooo... your point is kinda meh). Now this single advantage is pretty much gone. Can fly around then shoot the rocket? Cant do that no more. Do you realise just how long those 1.5 seconds are? Im not talking about "long enough to kill mando" (which it is, if you just aim for the head, which is easy cuz Mando cant move), but I'm talking "long enough to run the fuck away to the other end of the map". Its ridiculously long.

Instagib button is still an instagib button. Only thing that's changed is the victim of said rocket now has a fighting chance, whereas before this patch you might as well /kill if the mando had half a brain. There are plenty of instances where the mando rocket is super effective, it's just that now it can't be used as a scapegoat for poor aim or lulzy suicide mando play. It actually forces you to think before you press the button!

Victin Halcyon · Jun 22, 2021

I feel somewhat compelled to jump in on this rocket change discussion, even though I never take a rocket as a Mando player.

I'm somewhat torn on the issue. On the one hand, my experience with rocket-divebombing tells me that it really has more to do with map design and layout. I take DOTF Classic as my test case.

If you're the rebel team and you're trying to round a large corner, the rocket, dive-bomb or no, is a nightmare. Escaping the rebel spawn into main used to involve literally waiting out the three or four mando dive bombers at the start of a round because Rebel gunners were basically dead if they were caught there without a Jedi to support push (and even then...). Anywhere you're trying to take a large corner blind against a Mando with a rocket is more or less a guaranteed loss--and I can see how that's not fun.

But the counterplay was to then try and bait the Mando into using the rocket prematurely OR to pick routes/positions on the map where you had the room you needed to dodge the rocket or get into cover. Most of the better-designed maps have spaces like this. Mando rockets, dive-bomb or no, are not nearly so dangerous in the hangar because you have plenty of cover and angles which you can use to nullify the rocket's impact IF you're aware of the rocket still being in play and are smart enough to play around it WRT your positioning.

I like having this element of map play against different classes since it offers another meaningful choice, and in that sense, divebombing, while annoying at the start of a round on a big server by Mando spam, wasn't that awful otherwise. Most "haha you lose" rockets were against players who had taken too aggressive a push against a Mando who still had their rocket while the Mando was in a very favourable position (I'm thinking Rebel gunners who are trying to push into throne hall outside imp spawn).

If the issue is that the game is simply unfun in open with large amounts of Mandos on an imp team all dive-bombing, then, yeah, I get that. Other than that, I rarely had an issue with divebombing Mandos in open, and I suspect they're not an issue in scrim because of the class limits.

On the other hand, I do like that there's now guaranteed counter-play in every single rocket attempt. It gives players with good aim and fast reflexes the opportunity to react--and, although I haven't had a chance to try it out yet in public--I suspect still the vast majority of players will not manage to flinch a Mando player who lands in front of them unexpectedly and rockets.

I guess my summary is that, if you're thinking of your positioning and know the "usual" spots and plays, divebombing almost became a non-factor prior to this patch, and in that sense, the changes might be overkill (if in degree rather than kind). There are some maps which aren't conducive to this--my personal solution has been to avoid those maps or to not expect that they'll reward intelligent map play if for some reason I do end up playing on them.

Doesn't really affect me either way, but the rocket's been around for a long time, so I'm always leery of seeing something that's been fine for ages suddenly get a lot of changes. We'll see how it plays out.

(And my absolute favourite is still watching groups of Jedi all fail to push a very obvious rocket and die)

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

cannonfodder said:
first of all head hitboxes suck actual ass, they are incredibly inconsistent, and secondly, you act like a the mando is also not able to adjust his aim while you're running away, that's why dash and arc roll arent counters in my opinion, because sure you might not die straight up to the rocket, but your sure as hell dying to the 90+ splash damage + the knockdown that the rocket causes.

Adjust the aim all you want, the maps are not barren fields. Now that the rocket can take up to 2 times as long as it was before to fire, you have plenty of time to either kill the Mando or find a relatively or completely safe spot.
Headshots work well enough to be reliable, especially when shooting an immobile target. IF they were as unreliable as you seem to imply then nobody would snipe. Clearly thats not the case.
The only reason why people put up with just how shitty Mando weapons were when compared to ARCs was because the rocket was a very reliable tool. Now Mando's already worse version of clone pistols was nerfed, rifle got slightly buffed into "basic competence" level and the only always reliable tool of the Mando class was butchered. All while ARCs get +3 damage and 2 extra shots per clip on M5, buff to already OP pistols, and free dexterity lvl 2, all in exchange for a minor nerf to their nades.

A$APRocky · Jun 22, 2021

1 1 said:
Oh no, aiming a gloon blob is too demanding, I guess.

Shadow- · Jun 22, 2021

I like the changes so far, tho, this one isn't a problem but it just feels weird, many of the new models.

Most of them atm are becoming memes like Mandalore where 80% of the time his taunts you hear is him screaming for 4 seconds
Dark Mara Jade (I think that's her) is just Katarina From L.O.L and that feels awkward to hear (BloodForNoxas)
Some new Sith models only have 4 voice lines and the same can go for one of the new bounty hunters that has only 5 (tbh people can make the dude sound like Steven Tyler if they spam his taunts in a way)

Over all, most of them look good and they're a nice add on

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

Arthas said:
Instagib button is still an instagib button. Only thing that's changed is the victim of said rocket now has a fighting chance, whereas before this patch you might as well /kill if the mando had half a brain. There are plenty of instances where the mando rocket is super effective, it's just that now it can't be used as a scapegoat for poor aim or lulzy suicide mando play. It actually forces you to think before you press the button!

There is a difference between "fighting chance" and straight up butchering. Again, I welcome the cancelation of Mando rocket if enemy gunner deals enough damage (60 damage, was it?), that is indeed a fighting chance. But 1.5 seconds is just too long. Make it one second with rocket cancellation if mando gets too banged up and that would be relatively fair.
My biggest problem is that what is the point of Mando's mobility if it makes his options for engaging the enemy worse overall instead of better? Youre basically punishing Mando for using a jetpack. Either do something similar with ARCs, like make their aim shitty when they bounce around, or dont add that stupid chage in the first place.

Duckshark · Jun 22, 2021

Shape said:
While the way he put it is quite wrong and vulgar, his overall point is correct. This patch among many others seem to be based off the personal biased opinions of the test team and devs, instead of overall objective balance. For example, notice how almost all the nerfs seem to have impacted imperials more then rebels. Mando rocket nerf, instead of arcs in fact arc got a huge buff on almost all fronts. The sec nade nerf does more damage to imperial gunners, because rebs still have clone blobs and even the old sec nade mechanic with hero. Not to mention that almost all most imperial weapons received an FP drain nerf while the clone rifle was buffed. There are a few slight buffs here and there but overall they don't make much of a difference.

Unfortunately, defender biased maps and the overall power of lane-holding in MB2 makes the imperial team, commonly on defense, have a much easier time holding angles and suppressing with either high damage (see disruptor), high rate-of-fire (see SBD Firepower 3), or both (see Droideka Firepower 3, most DPS in the game). This forces Rebs to have to push in on maps into defender lanes.

Thus, Mando got nerfed. Well, why did mando get nerfed so hard?

Mando had Westars doing a base damage of 131 damage at full charge last patch. Doing some math, the old headshot multiplier was 3x, so 3 x 131 = 393 base damage on a headshot. Basically, it could delete almost any rebel class if it connected, and with a fast reload and high-damaging primary, it was incredibly oppressive. Now, they do a maximum of 96 damage, which is still almost as much as a proj rifle and very, very strong. For anyone thinking mando pistols were worse than arc pistols, they do the same primary damage and bounce shots are not better than charge shots. Buffing EE3 mainly was just so the two guns were competitive. Combined with wrist laser, which does more damage than P3 (47 > 40), does more FP drain per shot than P3, and can be shot while charging Westar pistols, and you have an incredibly strong offensive class that could delete any rebel class. This ignores the fact that they can also fly. Additionally, rocket was used primarily last patch to delete gunners without suffering major consequences, typically by camping corners and popping out against any non-Jedi and non-clone class, since blobs and push were the only reliable ranged counters to rocket. The changes made to rocket are harsh, yes, but by being more cautious, staying further away, and taking advantage of friendly utility (e.g. Jedi rolling from a fire nade), you can still reliably score kills with the rocket, and gives a gunner a source of counterplay. I find that if you play with your team, you will still be extremely effective when rocketing with team support. I would recommend trying to flank more instead of simply holding W and jetpack rocketing, or using perches and distant angles to thread smaller gaps. There is a reason rocket was a mandatory pick last patch on mando, and that was because it was so strong against most gunners that it wasn't even fair. This just gives gunners a chance.

Arc was likely overbuffed slightly, and toning down the changes to sniper with 7 shots and possibly decreasing the sniper's rate of fire will make it more viable while not too easy to use or spammable. Convergent pistols may also need looking at for both Arc and Mando. Otherwise, all the old ways to counter Arc still exist, and they are still weak against snipers, reinforcements with nades to burn their stamina or utility, and lightning sith to drain their stamina/force them to back up.

Quick throw used to be an underutilitzed ability. Keeping it around for hero makes that ability more worth taking, and since Rebs are typically on offense, it matters less than when both sides had gunners able to indefinitely corner camp with a secnade and get free kills on gunners. Remember that blob is still countered by droid classes, and that timing a secnade correctly will still be extremely effective against clones. Also, do not forget how powerful primary frags are still, and how effective those can be for utility kills and around corners.

In terms of FP drain, EE3's was nerfed because it was doing more than E11 per shot, and with more accuracy, you should need to hit some more shots in order to drain a Jedi properly. Droideka has an incredible fire rate with firepower 2 and 3, and with the hallway design of maps, was deemed too strong against a Jedi. T21 primary draining almost a third of a Jedi's FP last patch made pushing into 2 commanders with T21s very difficult, and so it was decreased so you could still chip away at Jedi, just not cripple them with one or two shots.

Overall, the patch will demand a slightly different playstyle compared to last patch, but the main goal has and is to make "easy" or "brainless" kills and plays less common. No longer should pressing a couple buttons with minimal or nonexistent aim allow you to get free kills. Learning to combine utility with regular gunplay will still net you similar frags to before.

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Adjust the aim all you want, the maps are not barren fields. Now that the rocket can take up to 2 times as long as it was before to fire, you have plenty of time to either kill the Mando or find a relatively or completely safe spot.
Headshots work well enough to be reliable, especially when shooting an immobile target. IF they were as unreliable as you seem to imply then nobody would snipe. Clearly thats not the case.
The only reason why people put up with just how shitty Mando weapons were when compared to ARCs was because the rocket was a very reliable tool. Now Mando's already worse version of clone pistols was nerfed, rifle got slightly buffed into "basic competence" level and the only always reliable tool of the Mando class was butchered. All while ARCs get +3 damage and 2 extra shots per clip on M5, buff to already OP pistols, and free dexterity lvl 2, all in exchange for a minor nerf to their nades.

Not quite double, though it is longer.

Headshots are not really reliable:

And the regular 1 second was tested, but you have to remember that 1 second of freefall mando falling from 50 feet is not enough time for anyone, even top tier gunners, to deal 55 damage, even if they see him coming. For example, this is the kind of play the delay is meant to prevent, where a gunner can't even see the mando until the rocket is fired and it's too late:

Using the rocket from further back, cover, or with teammate utility is still very effective.

1 1 · Jun 22, 2021

Duckshark said:
Not quite double, though it is longer.

Headshots are not really reliable:

And the regular 1 second was tested, but you have to remember that 1 second of freefall mando falling from 50 feet is not enough time for anyone, even top tier gunners, to deal 55 damage, even if they see him coming. For example, this is the kind of play the delay is meant to prevent, where a gunner can't even see the mando until the rocket is fired and it's too late:

Using the rocket from further back, cover, or with teammate utility is still very effective.

It is literally almost double. It was 0.8 seconds, now it can get up to 1,5.
Again, in my experience headshots work well enough, Saber duels on the other hand have plenty of hitbox issues.
Here is an easy fix for 50 feet fall suicide bombing just off the top of my head: instead of making a mando a sitting duck for 1.5 seconds, Make it impossible to fire a rocket for that 0.5 seconds (maybe even less will be enough, like 0.25 or 0.3) after you use the jetpack. That will solve the issue of turning a mando into a sitting duck AND prevent suicide bombing. Its THAT easy, and it took me NO TIME to come up with it.
Also, how many seconds does it take for the jetpack cooldown to wear off? 3? 4? Cuz that bullshit 50% delay is right now applied whenever the jetpack is cooling off, which is a long ass time.

cannonfodder · Jun 22, 2021

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It is literally almost double. It was 0.8 seconds, now it can get up to 1,5.
Again, in my experience headshots work well enough, Saber duels on the other hand have plenty of hitbox issues.
Here is an easy fix for 50 feet fall suicide bombing just off the top of my head: instead of making a mando a sitting duck for 1.5 seconds, Make it impossible to fire a rocket for that 0.5 seconds (maybe even less will be enough, like 0.25 or 0.3) after you use the jetpack. That will solve the issue of turning a mando into a sitting duck AND prevent suicide bombing. Its THAT easy, and it took me NO TIME to come up with it.
Also, how many seconds does it take for the jetpack cooldown to wear off? 3? 4? Cuz that bullshit 50% delay is right now applied whenever the jetpack is cooling off, which is a long ass time.

the jetpack cooldown and rocket timer things are good points, i'd be fine with the timer being reduced if that 0.5 seconds inability to rocket thing or something like it was added, something I'm actually suggesting for mando is giving the mando DR while in the rocket animation, but still having the damage accumulate to the flinch number ignore DR, for example: if my gun does 30 damage per shot, when I shoot the mando while he's firing his rocket, the accumulated flinch damage increases by 30, but the actual damage the mando takes is like 15-20, this way they arent throwing their life away during the increased rocket timer. People can still cancel the rocket, but the mando isn't throwing his life away by attempting it.

Fang · Jun 23, 2021

ill be real chief, if the mando boys like rock played anything but mando i'd value your opinion, but'cha dont. you dont understand the class by playing them. you see mando and even stack just to play it lol

Jacob. · Jun 23, 2021

mandos should have 10 rockets :::::::::: ))))))))))))

WorldsLargestiPod · Jun 23, 2021

I see no comments about super open mode, I can only assume that everyone that has played it is entirely satisfied with the product. Excellent.

Sag · Jun 23, 2021

Really good update imo, the devs have done great with this patch.

As a mando main, the rocket change was warranted and I don't even know how all these people are crying about it. Have they even played this update yet? It's still so easy to rocket people as most of the mb2 playerbase doesn't even know how to move their mouse properly, and when you come up against someone who can, don't braindead rocket in front of them to get flinched.

Oh no I can't rocket this gunner that is actually better than me now mid gunfight because he can prevent me from out skilling him with one button, let me go cry on the forums about it.

Weapon	Blocking (before)	Blocking (after)	Running (before)	Running (after)
EE3 Primary	6-14	6-12	9-15	8-13
Clone Rifle 1 & 2 (now split from 3)	4-6	4-8	5-7	6-9
T21 Primary	17-22	14-18	23-32	18-26
SBD	4-7	5-8	5-8	6-9
Deka	6-9	6-8	10-13	8-10