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Infraction: Trolling
I would have really loved to respond to this in the thread it was posted, or the one that was made after that one was locked, or the one after that, or the one after that, but the damdest thing is posts that discuss this issue keep getting locked. I'm assuming it's because Defiant and Mace stand by their words and aren't afraid to defend themselves. By now we're all familiar with this little nugget of PR excellence, so I'll just respond to it in little chunks, so as to avoid a wall of text.
Already these first two paragraphs are incendiary- forced RTV on all servers? MB2 Devs caring about community choice?
I'm sure having a compulsory RTV on every server wouldn't lend itself to any abuse from coordinated trolls, so I'll attack this from a different angle.
What you have here are two separate issues being homogenized into the issue of player choice. The first issue, which is a valid example of players losing their say, was when nuDoTF came out, and there was, for some reason, no option to have the old map. How quickly was classic_DOTF brought back after the revamp, buster? How many months of bitching about the new map did the playerbase have to commit themselves to before they finally were given their choice?
More importantly, what does removing a classic map from the game have to do with how a server owner manages their server? RTV has always been a choice for players, there have been RTV servers for as long as I've been on, and to be quite honest, I'd prefer it to 24/7 servers, save for the fact that hardly anybody plays them. It's entirely out of left field to call people who are ok with self-determination of servers and also prefer classic_dotf on the basis of choice hypocrites.
At least half of tR's popularity stems from their leniency towards the use of slurs and epithets. I'm sure EU players would like something similar, at least the ones from Eastern Europe. The rest can be accounted for the ease and quickness of DS and DoTF rounds- there are slim pickings for maps that are fun and quick, and it's convenient to set the round limit to max so that the time spend loading the map is at a minimum. One solution to this might be better maps, but it's stupid to imagine that players won't prefer to play on their proverbial dust_II's and cs_offices 24/7.
Yeah, like when Mace pushed the hard-coded time limit into the game to oust RP servers, in a transparent, indefensible move to make people play the game his way? Maybe he knew better than the community what fun was, but maybe it was a needless and petty maneuver that cut off another avenue of enjoyment for this game.
I agree with you that the current, undesirable state of the game can be attributed to an exclusive cabal who are trying to change the game at the expense of fun and value, but I think we might disagree on which players those are, exactly. It might be the handful of players who use VPNs and join FA servers and TK until they get bored, but it also might be the guys who are implying that if server-owners who pay out of pocket to keep their games up don't play ball and find some way to populate servers that otherwise would not be populated, they'll lose their 24/7 servers.
There is, of course, a simple and eloquent solution if you want the community to command the destiny of this mod- it's a dirty pair of two words, just three syllables, that would put the onus of fixing maps that suck, creating new gamemodes, balancing, etc, all on the community itself, instead of our hard-working devs.
What are your thoughts on this debate? Be sure to make a new thread to respond to this, because that's the embarrassing state this exalted forum has degenerated to.
Already these first two paragraphs are incendiary- forced RTV on all servers? MB2 Devs caring about community choice?
I'm sure having a compulsory RTV on every server wouldn't lend itself to any abuse from coordinated trolls, so I'll attack this from a different angle.
What you have here are two separate issues being homogenized into the issue of player choice. The first issue, which is a valid example of players losing their say, was when nuDoTF came out, and there was, for some reason, no option to have the old map. How quickly was classic_DOTF brought back after the revamp, buster? How many months of bitching about the new map did the playerbase have to commit themselves to before they finally were given their choice?
More importantly, what does removing a classic map from the game have to do with how a server owner manages their server? RTV has always been a choice for players, there have been RTV servers for as long as I've been on, and to be quite honest, I'd prefer it to 24/7 servers, save for the fact that hardly anybody plays them. It's entirely out of left field to call people who are ok with self-determination of servers and also prefer classic_dotf on the basis of choice hypocrites.
At least half of tR's popularity stems from their leniency towards the use of slurs and epithets. I'm sure EU players would like something similar, at least the ones from Eastern Europe. The rest can be accounted for the ease and quickness of DS and DoTF rounds- there are slim pickings for maps that are fun and quick, and it's convenient to set the round limit to max so that the time spend loading the map is at a minimum. One solution to this might be better maps, but it's stupid to imagine that players won't prefer to play on their proverbial dust_II's and cs_offices 24/7.
Yeah, like when Mace pushed the hard-coded time limit into the game to oust RP servers, in a transparent, indefensible move to make people play the game his way? Maybe he knew better than the community what fun was, but maybe it was a needless and petty maneuver that cut off another avenue of enjoyment for this game.
I agree with you that the current, undesirable state of the game can be attributed to an exclusive cabal who are trying to change the game at the expense of fun and value, but I think we might disagree on which players those are, exactly. It might be the handful of players who use VPNs and join FA servers and TK until they get bored, but it also might be the guys who are implying that if server-owners who pay out of pocket to keep their games up don't play ball and find some way to populate servers that otherwise would not be populated, they'll lose their 24/7 servers.
There is, of course, a simple and eloquent solution if you want the community to command the destiny of this mod- it's a dirty pair of two words, just three syllables, that would put the onus of fixing maps that suck, creating new gamemodes, balancing, etc, all on the community itself, instead of our hard-working devs.
What are your thoughts on this debate? Be sure to make a new thread to respond to this, because that's the embarrassing state this exalted forum has degenerated to.
