Yavin-4 Academy
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I as a Y4 member appreciate the time you took to write all this even though most of it seems to be negative; i have some stuff to add to what you already said:Recently, i've been hearing some stuff about Y4 and one of their leader's, Noel. And he hasn't been saying very nice things about me...
So it's been a while since Y4 started and I think it's been growing very well and is currently a very good clan.
The way this clan is structured is very nice. It's amazing you've managed to come up with all of this stuff by yourselves.
But for some reason, this all looks so familiar to me. I wonder why...
It definitely is long overdue. No other clan has this concept at all, and I think Y4 should be praised and listed in MBII's hall of fame for being such an amazing thing!
I dont see what more Y4 could do to distinguish itself. It really is an amazing experience that could never have been copied from another clan. The fact that most of the members were applying to J| or were part of J| at one point is also very interesting and very much a lovely part of the clan. Not to mention the * custom made map* that totally wasnt stolen from Jedi Outcast.
Indeed, Y4 is very much unique and the only of it's kind in MBII. Too bad J| was too late to the scene.
I also wouldn't say that your clan is very friendly at all. Based off what I've seen on your forums, how you take criticism, and how you treat players in game, I wouldn't recommend this clan to new players. You're constantly rude to people who you don't like, which isn't normally a bad thing, but in this case, you're an owner of the clan. You're supposed to act professionally if you want ro keep a good clan reputation.
This really doesn't justify anything. You're still being rude to him, even though he hasn't been rude to you at all. In fact, im sure this goes against your own point, right?
If we actually take a look at his introduction on your forums, you can see that he was trying to be nice to you guys:
Im sure you wouldn't act like this in real life to someone, and I'm 100 percent sure you wouldn't say "It's banter and you're too pussy to take it" to them after you've randomly been rude to them. Any normal clan leader would remain professional, and act mature despite disliking someone (that's if you actually care about your rep). I mean, we've all got angry with people and said shit to them in the past, but it's not like this is the odd occasion for you.
Here's a video from Killercann, where he talks about his experience with a member from your clan:
Here's how you responded to him:
It looks like you take criticism very well. Not only did you personally insult Killercann over him saying something about your clan, you also decided to show off your "dueling skills" by asking one of his friends to duel you. Super cool, you must feel like a proper big man after beating him.
Very mature response, anyway. lulIm sure people would love to join your clan after seeing how you talk to 99 percent of people who aren't of use to you.
On the topic of treating people with little to no respect, shall we talk about how you're scamming your members?
Take a look at these screenshots and tell me what you think:
Interestingly enough Y4 uses the same forums and server host as J|. I'm bringing this up because J|'s server *which has the same host* only costs 10€ instead of the 15€ you've lovingly put up on your forums, and our forums only cost 1€ a month. Where does the excess money go to, noel?
*Server host*
*Web host*
I mean, this isn't scummy right? I'm sure you're putting the money to good use so your members can have a great time in your amazing community. It's not like you're lying to them anyway, and I honestly doubt you would ever go that low to even think about doing it. I mean, it's not like you've done anything like this in the past, right?
Hopefully @Archiiv isnt upset when he finds out the money he gave you so you can host the forums and server also went so you could buy yourself some good craic.
But I mean, it can't get worse than this, right? It's not like noel's decided to shut down other people's forums just because they've disagreed with his points before? Nah, surely not.
In conclusion, I believe Y4 is the safest, most comfortable space for new players. They offer a variety of unique things such as events that have never been seen before, trials which have also never been seen before, and top-quality craic. Noel looks like a great leader, one who cares about the well-being of his members and his clan. I honestly, don't think you could find a better experience in gaming.
If you're looking to join, make sure you can take that great banter! But don't be too nice, otherwise, they might use that kindness against you. Y4 is no ghetto, poor looking neighbourhood like my house. It's a clan full of the guys who aren't "too pussy to take it". Remember guys, don't get scammed!
Friendly clan with a leader who has great morals : - D
Someone from Y4 asked someone from J to join Y4 doesnt seem that bad. In a way you as a J member yourself could see the reaction of the J member that was invited and see what type of member he is.
About how noel asked the youtubers friend to duel: What did you want him to do? Noel is a guy that made a new clan and wants to make it popular therefore when someone like that youtuber stated that the clan is small and some kids or something like that Noel wanted to prove that this clan is something else. In my opinion he couldnt have said something like ''Hello sir im willing to duel you to prove you wrong but not before we meet face to face and enjoy a tea together here is my phone number'' because then probably some other clan or maybe you would have said that we are weak or something like that. We are on the internet. Thats how the internet works.
About the map: the map we call ours is a custom map that uses many areas of the maps in Jedi Outcast, if you actually take the time to play Jedi Outcast you can see its not "stolen" from the game.
As a clan we have the right to act the way we want to new players/players that want to apply. I agree with you when you say we arent the friendliest bunch but most of the times the people we act rude to did something to make us act the way we do with them. I would recommend you wouldnt talk about cases like Jameson's case if you do not know the proper information. Not to mention the way you talk about us doing stuff is like you are in the posture of the person that created the whole MB2 Universe but that isnt the main topic.
About the "scamming" part: We the 99% of members that didnt donate have divided the 5 euros difference and we got are living like kings now except the guy that donated he is living in poverty now. Leaving jokes aside ''scamming'' is a pretty big word and the way you used it it would make people understand that Archiiv(the donator) paid to keep the server alive yet we ran off with the money and the server was offline. It wasnt the case.
After around 2-3 months of playing this game i noticed some things about the J clan aswell:
1.The way you promote your clan it would seem that its something really exclusive. Which is not. Its so exclusive that i only see the 4-5 active members and im pretty sure the idea of a clan is to teach new players, be nice to them and so on because i mean, Y4 doesnt do it, most of times Y4 are the bad guys that act like jerks.
2.Before joining Y4 i wanted to apply to your clan because the server message on the J clan says something that you can apply on their site and i wanted to do that but when i did check the website out it seems the clan only accepts applications of people that were invited. Now, if we decided to use such big words as ''scamming'' maybe we should use the the term of ''false advertising'' ? But thats too much.
3.Before joining Y4 and finding out that i need an invite to join J clan i started hanging around and trying to be friendly to J members but two things happened: as i said before i didnt really meet that many J members and most of the times they were doing something clan-related and second the only member i dueled didnt seem to be interested about my wish to join and to get the proper training i needed as a new comer to the game. I wont give out names but after dueling him and continuously dying i didnt get any tips or any other response to be honest. So again, is Y4 really the only clan that doesnt care about new players? Ill say that when new people join and actually try to make friends they disconnect faster when a meanie from Y4 starts cussing at them ( i dont recall any case of a Y4 member actually doing this but still) but when the same new people try to make friends and they dont get any responses like i did, that sort of makes you wanna disconnect aswell.
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Yes but that doesn’t mean you have to be an as***le to people. I’m not saying you should be like ‘Oh hey nice to meet you let’s duel!’, I’m saying that you should act like a normal person not insulting others and not taunting bad players like ‘get owned fag, I’m superior’. Just act like a normal person that’s all.
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Jameson's got it right. I'd like the general attitude of people towards each other stay civil in this discussion as well.
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Actually most our clan is active when we do weekly events such as ceremonies and tournaments. Also some play open others play duel mode, you cant be on all servers so as to see more than "4-5 active members".
As far as I'm concerned, lying about the price of maintaining a server in order to gain profit is a dishonest scheme. Dont try to make it seem any less bad.
No one's obligated to teach you. There's a lot of new players that quit within the first week. Everyone I've ever taught is no longer active, there's no point in teaching people who arent in your clan as they tend to quit.
No one's obligated to refer you either, the way you told the story it seems it was the J| member's first time seeing you. I'm sure if you were to play on J| duel for a week as a new player and if you were to ask if you could join our clan I'm sure I'd happily refer you as long as I've seen you're active and serious enough.
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Lol alright
With the D1 thing, again he's a friend. A meme egotistical comment taken out of context does nothing to prove anything, did you honestly think I expected him to drop his bags from a clan he's been in for months? He's obviously not going to.
Let me also quote myself here:
The whole thing was banter between me and Killercann's friend, I even admitted to him that he's a better duelist than me and we both went our separate ways.
That's literally all of my paypal ins and outs from Sep 15 -> Oct 24. I've hardly 'scammed' any of our members given that one person donated out of his own choice. Not to mention the fact that J| has the exact same donation system.
Essentially what you've written here is not a criticism towards Y4 at all but a criticism towards me. We may not get along very well, I most certainly dont like you after how much you used me in J|.
Lets take a trip down memory lane, do you remember:
I contributed an awful lot to J| clan and I haven't ever done anything against you personally, yeah I might have said some questionable things to some of your members, but I haven't once made a personal attack on you or J| in the way you have to me and Y4.
I could go on and perhaps I will, but I'd suggest a mod would look at this thread and consider whether its anything other than shilling.
All I see is someone who's jealous of Y4's success because we're standing on the toes of J| clan who's popularity/activity is diminishing.
This was before Gashti had even been accepted afaik. He at least didnt have his rank properly and I asked him to join us given that i'd literally been the one to refer him to join J| clan.Recently, i've been hearing some stuff about Y4 and one of their leader's, Noel. And he hasn't been saying very nice things about me...
So it's been a while since Y4 started and I think it's been growing very well and is currently a very good clan.
The way this clan is structured is very nice. It's amazing you've managed to come up with all of this stuff by yourselves.
But for some reason, this all looks so familiar to me. I wonder why...
With the D1 thing, again he's a friend. A meme egotistical comment taken out of context does nothing to prove anything, did you honestly think I expected him to drop his bags from a clan he's been in for months? He's obviously not going to.
J| doesnt have anything about saberforms in it. I've been in the clan many times and I've suggested things like this but there are many more additions in Y4, namely things which are in the Clan-only Information section which are not present in J| Clan. The only thing that is similar is that we use a linear skill-based rank system, which is not something J| clan can copyright or monopolise in any way.
We said from the beginning of Y4 that we didn't want to be a 'nicey nice' clan. We removed that statement from our homepage after realising how contradictory it was. It's funny how you're leaving out @Biblical's behaviour and focusing entirely on me because of your deep seated dislike for me, when a lot of my behaviour stems from his actions.
*Conveniently leaves out my initially nice response*
Let me also quote myself here:
You would do the exact same thing, you literally go around calling yourself 'God' and egged me on in the discord.It looks like you take criticism very well. Not only did you personally insult Killercann over him saying something about your clan, you also decided to show off your "dueling skills" by asking one of his friends to duel you. Super cool, you must feel like a proper big man after beating him.
Very mature response, anyway. lul
The whole thing was banter between me and Killercann's friend, I even admitted to him that he's a better duelist than me and we both went our separate ways.
I can literally disprove this in one image:
That's literally all of my paypal ins and outs from Sep 15 -> Oct 24. I've hardly 'scammed' any of our members given that one person donated out of his own choice. Not to mention the fact that J| has the exact same donation system.
Essentially what you've written here is not a criticism towards Y4 at all but a criticism towards me. We may not get along very well, I most certainly dont like you after how much you used me in J|.
Lets take a trip down memory lane, do you remember:
- The time you changed the homepage to tell me to fuck off or something, then started repeatedly calling me a 'cinderblock' for some reason?
- The time you went on my Facebook and were talking about it in your discord?
- The time you claimed 64 was the creator of the homepage, despite me being the creator, and changed the credits accordingly?
- The time you plotted to kick me out of J| because I posted a suggestion thread which apparently meant I was trying to take over the clan?
- The countless amounts of times you've excluded people like House, Desire etc from your circle?
- The countless amounts of times you've been way, way worse in insulting people like Ronin, Desire, Jameson etc?
I contributed an awful lot to J| clan and I haven't ever done anything against you personally, yeah I might have said some questionable things to some of your members, but I haven't once made a personal attack on you or J| in the way you have to me and Y4.
I could go on and perhaps I will, but I'd suggest a mod would look at this thread and consider whether its anything other than shilling.
All I see is someone who's jealous of Y4's success because we're standing on the toes of J| clan who's popularity/activity is diminishing.
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Biblical.Lol alright
This was before Gashti had even been accepted afaik. He at least didnt have his rank properly and I asked him to join us given that i'd literally been the one to refer him to join J| clan.
With the D1 thing, again he's a friend. A meme egotistical comment taken out of context does nothing to prove anything, did you honestly think I expected him to drop his bags from a clan he's been in for months? He's obviously not going to.
J| doesnt have anything about saberforms in it. I've been in the clan many times and I've suggested things like this but there are many more additions in Y4, namely things which are in the Clan-only Information section which are not present in J| Clan. The only thing that is similar is that we use a linear skill-based rank system, which is not something J| clan can copyright or monopolise in any way.
We said from the beginning of Y4 that we didn't want to be a 'nicey nice' clan. We removed that statement from our homepage after realising how contradictory it was. It's funny how you're leaving out @Biblical's behaviour and focusing entirely on me because of your deep seated dislike for me, when a lot of my behaviour stems from his actions.
*Conveniently leaves out my initially nice response*
Let me also quote myself here:
You would do the exact same thing, you literally go around calling yourself 'God' and egged me on in the discord.
The whole thing was banter between me and Killercann's friend, I even admitted to him that he's a better duelist than me and we both went our separate ways.
I can literally disprove this in one image:
That's literally all of my paypal ins and outs from Sep 15 -> Oct 24. I've hardly 'scammed' any of our members given that one person donated out of his own choice. Not to mention the fact that J| has the exact same donation system.
Essentially what you've written here is not a criticism towards Y4 at all but a criticism towards me. We may not get along very well, I most certainly dont like you after how much you used me in J|.
Lets take a trip down memory lane, do you remember:
Don't have much evidence to support these because I'm not constantly trying to get one up on people (unlike someone!) but all of the active people in the dueling scene should know about them.
- The time you changed the homepage to tell me to fuck off or something, then started repeatedly calling me a 'cinderblock' for some reason?
- The time you went on my Facebook and were talking about it in your discord?
- The time you claimed 64 was the creator of the homepage, despite me being the creator, and changed the credits accordingly?
- The time you plotted to kick me out of J| because I posted a suggestion thread which apparently meant I was trying to take over the clan?
- The countless amounts of times you've excluded people like House, Desire etc from your circle?
- The countless amounts of times you've been way, way worse in insulting people like Ronin, Desire, Jameson etc?
I contributed an awful lot to J| clan and I haven't ever done anything against you personally, yeah I might have said some questionable things to some of your members, but I haven't once made a personal attack on you or J| in the way you have to me and Y4.
I could go on and perhaps I will, but I'd suggest a mod would look at this thread and consider whether its anything other than shilling.
All I see is someone who's jealous of Y4's success because we're standing on the toes of J| clan who's popularity/activity is diminishing.
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Literally
You're right, the saber forms are a great innovation, they really do set you apart.
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He has a point... I still get insulted, called out and taken the piss out off; despite how many times I apologised and tried making up for it... But alas, it happens everywhere so my comment has 0 effect on this thread. Carry on arguing!
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Biblical.
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