Movie Battles II V1.6.2 Released

^})^Macrobyte · Jun 3, 2020

[SE] Maren said:
If you're looking for story join our roleplay clan, singleplayer for this would be ridiculious and take years to make.

This same old argument was brought up years ago. In that same time, the NPC pathing and AI could have been fixed. Yet, if you look at the history of the patches, the majority of the changes have been for jedi/sith. Also, I am not looking for roleplay. I am not even sure why you brought that up as it has nothing to do with anything I mentioned in my original posts or with this mod.

OCD2 · Jun 3, 2020

Corellia seems improved. Good work.

RogueWookiee · Jun 3, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
This same old argument was brought up years ago. In that same time, the NPC pathing and AI could have been fixed. Yet, if you look at the history of the patches, the majority of the changes have been for jedi/sith. Also, I am not looking for roleplay. I am not even sure why you brought that up as it has nothing to do with anything I mentioned in my original posts or with this mod.

Hes been trying to promote his clan for years lol

Edgyfrick · Jun 3, 2020

kinda dumb to nerf force jedi, even when he's sucks to begin with. other then that good update.

Arthas · Jun 3, 2020

When are we getting roleplay mode?

[SE] Maren · Jun 3, 2020

RogueWookiee said:
Hes been trying to promote his clan for years lol

Who even are you? Kindly don't reference me again no-name

SeV · Jun 3, 2020

Noice patch

erichirari · Jun 3, 2020

[SE] Maren said:
Who even are you? Kindly don't reference me again no-name

same could be said about you pal, only rogue doesn't say things like this

Grub · Jun 3, 2020

erichirari said:
same could be said about you pal, only rogue doesn't say things like this
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So is 911.

Fluffy |> · Jun 3, 2020

I can't help myself...

RogueWookiee · Jun 3, 2020

[SE] Maren said:
Who even are you? Kindly don't reference me again no-name

no-name? Sorry that no one gives a shit about your clan. Anyways, off topic.

FrenzY · Jun 4, 2020

KaniganTheMando said:
At high level play, the jump-swing meta and high fp regen left no opportunity at all for gunner to combat jedi. Gotta keep in mind jedi are very mobile escapists so to give them something they can INCREDIBLY quickly destroy a gunner with before they even attempt to reset fp by running around a box is also a bit much.

I understand the point. I think a helpful tweak for balance is not incredibly high FP damage per weapon, but more variety... perhaps buffs in melee or certain tools which help in close range, rather than guns which can drain all fp in only a few shots. Adding further purchasable or baked-in counter moves would make more sense than further micro fp dmg management.

Some ideas (feel free to chime in):

Gunbash-like moves for all classes
Melee alternatives, per class
Tanking with Beskar
Blocking a saber hit (but not blaster fire of full body) with a wrist shield

RG4 · Jun 4, 2020

FrenzY said:
I understand the point. I think a helpful tweak for balance is not incredibly high FP damage per weapon, but more variety... perhaps buffs in melee or certain tools which help in close range, rather than guns which can drain all fp in only a few shots. Adding further purchasable or baked-in counter moves would make more sense than further micro fp dmg management.

Some ideas (feel free to chime in):

Gunbash-like moves for all classes

Melee alternatives, per class

Tanking with Beskar

Blocking a saber hit (but not blaster fire of full body) with a wrist shield

Hand Repulsors.
We've already got knock-back weapons in the game, mostly meme tier weapons but if you reduced their effect and made it a class special or something. It could act unblockable push. Won't cause knockdowns (unless jumping, rolling, dashing) will make Sith/Jedi less likely to try and zoom down a hall if they know some random dude could send'em back a few feet.
Give ARCS a way to combat grip/lightning.
There are literally only 3 classes in MB that can resist the effects of lightning and grip. Force Users,Dekas, and Wookiees( who buy strength(which is almost mandatory really). Most people can run away from MT/speed, and the droids can buy advanced logic. ARCs are able to rump,roll, and getup shoot. It makes sense that if they're getting choked they should be able to shoot back at the Sith. ARC Shields should reduce lightning damage for as long as they have them and allow them to fire provided they have dex as well. This effective gives arcs more utility against Sith, much like how Mandos have several options to deal with Jedi.
Melee should stagger.
Slow down melee strikes, but make it to where if you land more successive punches it'll cause a stagger. Uppercuts and blocking too many punches already does this, but saberist and gunners can still crouch and kill.
Give Mandos quick-get up.
Rebels have ARC and Heroes who have rolling and jump recoveries. Imps just have BH. Give Mandos this ability, the armor isn't mega heavy I don't see why not.
Implement some FA Features
This is brought up so much that it just needs to be on a "MAYBE LIST." There are a lot of FA abilities, weapons, and gimmicks they should come to open. Popular one is the grappling hook. Though it's super janky even in FA it's still one the interesting additions. You can spiderman people down, accelerate yourself and fly by enemies and allies, it's so versatile that it'd be neat to see how they'd change the current maps.

bash · Jun 4, 2020

Make ARC Troopers Good Again!

KaniganTheMando · Jun 4, 2020

FrenzY said:
I understand the point. I think a helpful tweak for balance is not incredibly high FP damage per weapon, but more variety... perhaps buffs in melee or certain tools which help in close range, rather than guns which can drain all fp in only a few shots. Adding further purchasable or baked-in counter moves would make more sense than further micro fp dmg management.

Some ideas (feel free to chime in):

Gunbash-like moves for all classes

Melee alternatives, per class

Tanking with Beskar

Blocking a saber hit (but not blaster fire of full body) with a wrist shield

My problem with this is that more variety takes time to implement, and by applying these bandaid nerfs now and not at the same time as these extra tools, you create a situation where for months or years (due to small volunteer dev team with their own preferred stuff to work on) there's a significant imbalance.

Alkatjo · Jun 4, 2020

I have to agree. Save the fancy ideas like vibroblades, wrist repulsion, and grappling hooks for the newer classes, tune down the sabers in open mode specifically. Jumpswings have no penalty other than the increase in fp/bp drain. That doesn't matter when the gunner(s) are already dead from a flying saber.

Rosh+ · Jun 4, 2020

RG4 said:
Give ARCS a way to combat grip/lightning.
There are literally only 3 classes in MB that can resist the effects of lightning and grip. Force Users,Dekas, and Wookiees( who buy strength(which is almost mandatory really). Most people can run away from MT/speed, and the droids can buy advanced logic. ARCs are able to rump,roll, and getup shoot. It makes sense that if they're getting choked they should be able to shoot back at the Sith. ARC Shields should reduce lightning damage for as long as they have them and allow them to fire provided they have dex as well. This effective gives arcs more utility against Sith, much like how Mandos have several options to deal with Jedi.

Melee should stagger.
Slow down melee strikes, but make it to where if you land more successive punches it'll cause a stagger. Uppercuts and blocking too many punches already does this, but saberist and gunners can still crouch and kill.

As someone who usually plays forcewhore:

ARCs have far more protection from Force Powers(besides grip) than most other non-wook/non-droid gunners. Ever since the lightning stun change was introduced, all that is needed to counter ANY competent forcewhore is to either switch to ARC or Wook, this is primarily because the vast majority of weapons FWs get are negated by ARCs and Wooks. The only thing the ARC doesn't get that the Wook does is the Wooks grip immunity. ARCs are damaged the same way Wooks are, and before a recent lightning change, fully armored Dex ARCs had about the same TTK as health 3 Wooks did because their armor, like most armor will almost totally negate lightning's effect on the health pool of the victim, and will need to be reduced to 0 before any significant damage can be done. Their advantage was that Armor 3 ARCs get... A LOT of armor, so they are far more equipped to deal with Lightning than just about any class besides Jedi/Wook.

This is not to say ARCs weren't a problem before the changes, given that the only reliable way for a FW to kill an ARC was to cheese it with lightning stun and melee. It's just that now there are only 3 ways for a competent FW to combat an ARC even with team support as opposed to the original 4 ways.

1.) Cheese Method - Find a pit, push ARC in.
2.) Grip Method - Find a large room or a pit, throw ARC into pit, or into ceiling of room like Falc Hangar.
3.) Wook Method - Find a height advantage, jump down spray with lightning until 20 fp, jump back up to HA, regen, repeat(named for the only method of dealing with Wooks as a FW.)

You have to cheese ARC like this because superpush/repulse doesn't work on them outside of contextually advantageous situations(such as: ARC comes out of fight with no stamina, etc...). You can't even pressure them with melee/lightning like the majority of other classes REBs side because they have a combat roll that can totally outpace a FW/Sith, and you can't punch them while they're down for fear of being shot in the face because they can fire while recovering from knockdown. This means the safest option for dealing with ARCs outside of pushing them down a death pit is to lightning them to death if you don't have grip, and if you DO have grip, the safest option is to isolate them so you can grip them and... have you guessed it?

Throw them down a pit.

As for the state of saber Sith v ARC, I do think that one handed Lightning 3 has needed a nerf for quite awhile now, though I disagree that ARCs should have any extra protection against grip compared to other classes, given that every class played intelligently should have some protection against such a power. This protection is known as:

1.) Teammates.
2.) Movement.

If you're rushing main hall from REB spawn on deathstar, and you run into 2 Sith while you yourself are solo, and you decide to run in against them full well knowing that you won't be able to escape one Sith's grip because the other Sith has pull, and that limits your innate mastery of movement as an ARC, it's not the class's fault you are losing, it's yours.

Solo, grip is nerfed enough as it is, and any decent ARC trooper should be able to avoid it in a 1v1 given the strict aim requirement for lock-on, and the time required for griplock to finish. If you had complained about grip when it was still instant, I would understand your problem with it, as would many others given how much people bitched about it.

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Melee is in a good spot as it is, there is little reason to buff it, given that knockdown->gun is usually enough to cripple a Sith/Jedi on its own. A good melee user can cripple a Jedi/Sith for the rest of the match 1/3 times using only melee, to say nothing of what happens when that same user is given a gun, and has just swept a Jedi/Sith to the ground(guaranteed crippling). This is not even mentioning the great easy time a competent forcewhore has against anything that can't shoot while it's recovering from knockdown, given how easy it is to pressure heroes and other classes into running after recovery when you've knocked them down and crippled them with your fists, leaving them open to lightning push.

Of course this is all talk from somebody who hasn't even played this patch yet, mostly because of the sweepkick change which may or may not have been intentional and likewise may or may not be reverted.

Here's hoping it is.

KaniganTheMando said:
you create a situation where for months or years (due to small volunteer dev team with their own preferred stuff to work on) there's a significant imbalance.

This is already a problem and has been for years, I can elaborate if you'd like, however I feel like that'd turn into an argument involving more people than just you and I.

pelmeņu lauks · Jun 4, 2020

SeV said:
Noice patch

So there you have it - nudge was an easter egg after all!

[SE] Maren · Jun 4, 2020

RG4 said:
Hand Repulsors.
We've already got knock-back weapons in the game, mostly meme tier weapons but if you reduced their effect and made it a class special or something. It could act unblockable push. Won't cause knockdowns (unless jumping, rolling, dashing) will make Sith/Jedi less likely to try and zoom down a hall if they know some random dude could send'em back a few feet.

Give ARCS a way to combat grip/lightning.
There are literally only 3 classes in MB that can resist the effects of lightning and grip. Force Users,Dekas, and Wookiees( who buy strength(which is almost mandatory really). Most people can run away from MT/speed, and the droids can buy advanced logic. ARCs are able to rump,roll, and getup shoot. It makes sense that if they're getting choked they should be able to shoot back at the Sith. ARC Shields should reduce lightning damage for as long as they have them and allow them to fire provided they have dex as well. This effective gives arcs more utility against Sith, much like how Mandos have several options to deal with Jedi.

Melee should stagger.
Slow down melee strikes, but make it to where if you land more successive punches it'll cause a stagger. Uppercuts and blocking too many punches already does this, but saberist and gunners can still crouch and kill.

Give Mandos quick-get up.
Rebels have ARC and Heroes who have rolling and jump recoveries. Imps just have BH. Give Mandos this ability, the armor isn't mega heavy I don't see why not.

Implement some FA Features
This is brought up so much that it just needs to be on a "MAYBE LIST." There are a lot of FA abilities, weapons, and gimmicks they should come to open. Popular one is the grappling hook. Though it's super janky even in FA it's still one the interesting additions. You can spiderman people down, accelerate yourself and fly by enemies and allies, it's so versatile that it'd be neat to see how they'd change the current maps.

These seem very fun too, but maybe not ARC buff, their relatively strong compared to the lame ass heros/soldier classes which need variety and buffs xD

Mandos with the option for quick getup and vibroblade and jetpack is all i'm waiting for (preferably with dark saber option ;P)

[SE] Maren · Jun 4, 2020

erichirari said:
same could be said about you pal, only rogue doesn't say things like this
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Same could be said about me, yet you hold possession of screenshots and faked messages of said "No-name", seems like a lot of effort to go through.

Don't reference me again, I don't even know most of you.

Movie Battles II V1.6.2 Released

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OCD2

RogueWookiee

Edgyfrick

Arthas

[SE] Maren

SeV

Nerd

erichirari

Grub

Fluffy |>

RogueWookiee

FrenzY

Chaos Connoisseur

RG4

bash

KaniganTheMando

Alkatjo

Rosh+

pelmeņu lauks

[SE] Maren

[SE] Maren