Movie Battles II V1.6.2 Released

Savilex- · Jun 2, 2020

FrenzY said:
Remove: Deleted the "mando" hangar catwalk hatch.

This was the only reason i'd play that map

KaniganTheMando · Jun 2, 2020

SeV said:
I don't really think the wrist-laser nerf is that big of a deal. It was probably done to balance EE-3 + wrist FP drain.

ee-3 sniper drains are ass now since drains are scaled by dmg, and even with buff the primary fire is incredibly unreliable (forced to burst), esp. considering how high fp regen is currently and how low running drains are.

Spaghetti · Jun 2, 2020

Savilex- said:
This was the only reason i'd play that map

Oh no. It's too bad it wasn't removed for a good reason, like there being another larger door up there that functionally replaces it. 🤔

Savilex- · Jun 2, 2020

Spaghetti said:
Oh no. It's too bad it wasn't removed for a good reason, like there being another larger door up there that functionally replaces it. 🤔

It's not the same >:c

Spaghetti · Jun 2, 2020

Savilex- said:
It's not the same >:c

Well yeah. It's even stronger for Mandos in some ways (door automatically opens so you can corner and peak easily), but attackers at least have some counter play options by using the tapcafe route.

Savilex- · Jun 2, 2020

Nex · Jun 2, 2020

All the wookie changes are welcome, the class may be once more somewhat viable, at least on closed maps like lunarbase etc, but I think it's still gonna perform poorly on open ones like dotf or sdestroyer.

Although this:

FrenzY said:
Change: Westar M5 FP drain multiplier reduced by 25%.

This is actually really dumb. Short ammo clip wasn't enough I guess? Did you guys even test it? Because I did with my folks last night. Good luck draining sith's fp (capable one) down to zero. If people were complaining for M5 being so op'd due to perfect accuracy then just remove M5 lvl 2 completely and leave lvl 1 the only option, that would have been perfect solution (M5 lvl 1 works just like E-11 secondary though). As if ARC wasn't already the weakest class in the game and you've just made it even worse. The Sith can just run around you in circles and the only way to have any successful chance of taking him out in fair 1v1 combat it is to rely fully on knockbacks or sith's fail attack attempts i.e bad push/pulls/saber swings. I really can't seem to understand what was wrong with previous M5 fp drains and what was logic behind that change. Considering the only reason to even pick ARC out of all gunner classes (maybe except clone trooper which was and still is far better choice due to blobs) was exactly to counter Sith's spam on the first place to keep them in check with M5, sadly that won't be the case anymore.

FrenzY said:
Change: EE-3 Primary FP drain multiplier increased by 50%.

Sounds like overkill and feels good. Anything that rekts jumping glowsticks will find my positive feedback. But why mess around over and over with that weap...? This is never ending road. Why not just remove EE-3 primary spread after few shots and revert snipe mode base dmg back to 100 and x2 shots per clip like it was before (fp drains aside)? Kinda interesting logic that on the one hand you lower fp multipliers for the weakest reb gunner class (arc/m5) and on the other you increase it for quite powerful imp that is Mando up by 50%...? It's even more intruiging if you notice imps have got far better classes overall.

FrenzY said:
Change: Wrist Laser FP drain multiplier decreased by 18%.

As if most players even use wrist laser to begin with, lmao. Even though understandable having EE-3 primary fp multipler buffed it's still silly. I personally used it only as in EE-3 snipe + insta wrist laser combo to cause massive fp drains after just two series of these. I'm curious how it's gonna work out now.

Corellia entry area rework completely worthless and pointless as the main issue still remain - imps can pin down rebs behind one tiny door in matter of seconds. Played and tested. This small door out of red room should've been removed and replaced by far bigger entrace. Plus left outer corridor/route should be directly connected to the red spawn room imo. By the time whole team gets through this tiny door most of them is already exposed to snipe/nade/rocket spam.

Also, when we can expect deka roll bug fix? Are you guys even aware?

^})^Macrobyte · Jun 2, 2020

I been gone for a while, but I have been making my way back into the way of things for the past couple of months. Normally, I avoid MB2 forums as most of the time it just leads to debates that go no where. But, let's see if anything has changed over the years.

The two classes I mainly play is either Jedi/Sith or ET (though some would argue I play on imps more than rebs). As a Jedi/Sith player, I can tell you that these updates seem way to jedi/sith bias while the gunners kind of get left in the dust and its been that way for a long time. In the great era of b18 (when I joined), there used to be corpse nading. That was one of the few times I can say that gunners had an easy time against jedi/sith. Not saying that should have been a thing, but at some point you gotta ask when gunners are going to be given a fair chance in a one on one fight versus jedi/sith.

General Feedback:
- The gunslap that was added to the wook is completely pointless, as it doesn't knockdown and its range seems shorter than a regular punch. Who would risk slapping an enemy for 15 hp worth of damage w/ your gun out for no knockdown when the alternative is just talking out your wook fist to get a free slap knockdown kill? My recommendation would be to make it so if someone purchased strength 3 to allow it to knockdown. I haven't looked at the points lately for wook, so strength 2 may make it more viable. The main idea is that wook should be a deterrent for sith just as SBDs are a deterrent for jedi.

- The "Hidden" change to basically make players immune to sweep kick knockdown if they crouch I think is a bad move. You just took away one of the few alternatives gunners actually have against jedi/sith and I feel like they already have enough trouble as it is one on one. There has been this growing need to spam crouch horizontal slashes in open versus gunners and jedi/sith. I am curious to know 1. why it wasn't in the patch notes, and 2. why this was changed in the first place?

- I think jedi/sith flinch at low fp should make a return. Knockback doesn't work well at all.

Things I would like to see in future updates:
- I mentioned this a long time ago, but I don't see Star wars getting a new game that is worth its fanbase as long as EA has the license. If you all actually want the fanbase to come to this mod or want to make this mod worth star wars fans checking out, I think you all should re-work the NPCs already built into the game. You could start by updating the Singleplayer to be compatible with the NPCs and look into a further project of making it co-op. Alternatively, you could look into implementation of NPCs in the average played maps similar to how titanfall has killable grunts. This would make even empty servers seem lively and allow new players to practice if necessary.

- I'd like for shotguns to make it to Open at some point. Close range/high damage weapons. I've been using e-11 2 for the longest time as a pseudo shotgun and i think they could get balanced out for open play.

Preston · Jun 2, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
I been gone for a while, but I have been making my way back into the way of things for the past couple of months. Normally, I avoid MB2 forums as most of the time it just leads to debates that go no where. But, let's see if anything has changed over the years.

The two classes I mainly play is either Jedi/Sith or ET (though some would argue I play on imps more than rebs). As a Jedi/Sith player, I can tell you that these updates seem way to jedi/sith bias while the gunners kind of get left in the dust and its been that way for a long time. In the great era of b18 (when I joined), there used to be corpse nading. That was one of the few times I can say that gunners had an easy time against jedi/sith. Not saying that should have been a thing, but at some point you gotta ask when gunners are going to be given a fair chance in a one on one fight versus jedi/sith.

General Feedback:
- The gunslap that was added to the wook is completely pointless, as it doesn't knockdown and its range seems shorter than a regular punch. Who would risk slapping an enemy for 15 hp worth of damage w/ your gun out for no knockdown when the alternative is just talking out your wook fist to get a free slap knockdown kill? My recommendation would be to make it so if someone purchased strength 3 to allow it to knockdown. I haven't looked at the points lately for wook, so strength 2 may make it more viable. The main idea is that wook should be a deterrent for sith just as SBDs are a deterrent for jedi.

- The "Hidden" change to basically make players immune to sweep kick knockdown if they crouch I think is a bad move. You just took away one of the few alternatives gunners actually have against jedi/sith and I feel like they already have enough trouble as it is one on one. There has been this growing need to spam crouch horizontal slashes in open versus gunners and jedi/sith. I am curious to know 1. why it wasn't in the patch notes, and 2. why this was changed in the first place?

- I think jedi/sith flinch at low fp should make a return. Knockback doesn't work well at all.

Things I would like to see in future updates:
- I mentioned this a long time ago, but I don't see Star wars getting a new game that is worth its fanbase as long as EA has the license. If you all actually want the fanbase to come to this mod or want to make this mod worth star wars fans checking out, I think you all should re-work the NPCs already built into the game. You could start by updating the Singleplayer to be compatible with the NPCs and look into a further project of making it co-op. Alternatively, you could look into implementation of NPCs in the average played maps similar to how titanfall has killable grunts. This would make even empty servers seem lively and allow new players to practice if necessary.

- I'd like for shotguns to make it to Open at some point. Close range/high damage weapons. I've been using e-11 2 for the longest time as a pseudo shotgun and i think they could get balanced out for open play.

I disagree, gunning is in the best spot its been in atleast several years. However changing things like removing knockdowns on sweepkicks is dumb and needs to be reverted, and nerfing fp drains on some weapons is also not a good idea.

FrenzY · Jun 2, 2020

Grub said:
Sweepkicks no longer knock anyone over so long as they are crouching... Great, just what melee needs, to be even weaker even though it was already weak.

^})^Macrobyte said:
- The "Hidden" change to basically make players immune to sweep kick knockdown if they crouch I think is a bad move. You just took away one of the few alternatives gunners actually have against jedi/sith and I feel like they already have enough trouble as it is one on one. There has been this growing need to spam crouch horizontal slashes in open versus gunners and jedi/sith. I am curious to know 1. why it wasn't in the patch notes, and 2. why this was changed in the first place?

- I think jedi/sith flinch at low fp should make a return. Knockback doesn't work well at all.

Preston said:
However changing things like removing knockdowns on sweepkicks is dumb and needs to be reverted

Hoping to hotfix that this weekend.

FrenzY · Jun 2, 2020

Nex said:
Sounds like overkill and feels good. Anything that rekts jumping glowsticks will find my positive feedback. But why mess around over and over with that weap...? This is never ending road. Why not just remove EE-3 primary spread after few shots and revert snipe mode base dmg back to 100 and x2 shots per clip like it was before (fp drains aside)? Kinda interesting logic that on the one hand you lower fp multipliers for the weakest reb gunner class (arc/m5) and on the other you increase it for quite powerful imp that is Mando up by 50%...? It's even more intruiging if you notice imps have got far better classes overall.

At high level play, the wrist + Westar charge meta shot left no opportunity at all for Jedi to combat mando. Didn't actually have to do with the EE3 buff, though I can see why you would think that. Gotta keep in mind Mandos are very mobile escapists so to give them something they can INCREDIBLY quickly destroy a jedi with before they even attempt escape is a bit much.

The nerf was warranted, I understand why people think a bit too much... that has more to do with how the code rounds up the multiplier and I would have prefered around 15%ish

Arthas · Jun 2, 2020

gOOD UPDATE I APPROVE!

SneakDissing · Jun 3, 2020

this update is stinky

^})^Macrobyte · Jun 3, 2020

Preston said:
I disagree, gunning is in the best spot its been in atleast several years.

Gunning is in a good place. Gunning vs jedi/sith not so much. It's easy to disagree when you have been playing the mod for years like you and I since anyone who has been playing for a while has already developed a keen sense of how to handle different issues. But, if you play open for more that 15 minutes, you can definitely hear/see the frustration of the community. The average player simply gets destroyed in jedi/sith vs gunner in most situations. It's very to easy to right it off as a "git gud" situation. But, are we really going to pretend like the damage reduction, lack of knockback and swingblocking (pseudo q3) on jedi/sith doesn't allow them just mow through a group of gunners? And in this scenario above I am talking about a single jedi/sith with minor competence to force push 3 once in a while. Imagine 2, 3, 4, etc.

Also, this is all rhetorical. I know the active devs that I have met in some of the open servers are seeing/hearing all this. I am just voicing my opinion here so its recorded. I am mainly suggesting that instead of continuing the build the mod around jedi/sith, work on the other aspects to create a more balanced experience for gunner vs jedi/sith scenarios.

With the personal note to add shotguns just cause I selfishly want them in open. I know that probably won't happen.

Preston · Jun 3, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
Gunning is in a good place. Gunning vs jedi/sith not so much. It's easy to disagree when you have been playing the mod for years like you and I since anyone who has been playing for a while has already developed a keen sense of how to handle different issues. But, if you play open for more that 15 minutes, you can definitely hear/see the frustration of the community. The average player simply gets destroyed in jedi/sith vs gunner in most situations. It's very to easy to right it off as a "git gud" situation. But, are we really going to pretend like the damage reduction, lack of knockback and swingblocking (pseudo q3) on jedi/sith doesn't allow them just mow through a group of gunners? And in this scenario above I am talking about a single jedi/sith with minor competence to force push 3 once in a while. Imagine 2, 3, 4, etc.

Also, this is all rhetorical. I know the active devs that I have met in some of the open servers are seeing/hearing all this. I am just voicing my opinion here so its recorded. I am mainly suggesting that instead of continuing the build the mod around jedi/sith, work on the other aspects to create a more balanced experience for gunner vs jedi/sith scenarios.

With the personal note to add shotguns just cause I selfishly want them in open. I know that probably won't happen.

I was actually referring to against jedi and sith aswell, I know you left for quite awhile so I'm not sure if we just have different opinions or if you may of forgotten but I personally found flinch TERRIBLE for both gunner sand jedi and also fp drains were TERRIBLE up until recently this year I believe. I personally find playing a gunner is much more enjoyable and fair than it's been in years against jedi and sith. Not saying it's perfect, I still feel like some force powers definetly need nerfs. Such as push range, and lightning and choke to name a few. But its imo much better than it was a few years ago.

KaniganTheMando · Jun 3, 2020

SeV said:
I don't really think the wrist-laser nerf is that big of a deal. It was probably done to balance EE-3 + wrist FP drain.

FrenzY said:
At high level play, the wrist + Westar charge meta shot left no opportunity at all for Jedi to combat mando. Didn't actually have to do with the EE3 buff, though I can see why you would think that. Gotta keep in mind Mandos are very mobile escapists so to give them something they can INCREDIBLY quickly destroy a jedi with before they even attempt escape is a bit much.

The nerf was warranted, I understand why people think a bit too much... that has more to do with how the code rounds up the multiplier and I would have prefered around 15%ish

At high level play, the jump-swing meta and high fp regen left no opportunity at all for gunner to combat jedi. Gotta keep in mind jedi are very mobile escapists so to give them something they can INCREDIBLY quickly destroy a gunner with before they even attempt to reset fp by running around a box is also a bit much.

Rosh+ · Jun 3, 2020

FrenzY said:
Hoping to hotfix that this weekend.

u betr nub
new relevant meme fresh off the presses more effort than the last saber patch:

NERO · Jun 3, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
Alternatively, you could look into implementation of NPCs in the average played maps similar to how titanfall has killable grunts. This would make even empty servers seem lively and allow new players to practice if necessary.

Imo if there's something that kills a MULTIPLAYER shooter, it's stuffing servers full of non-player enemies that become boring to fight against fast no matter how good the AI is.
A single player mode with co-op would be cool though, agreed.

[SE] Maren · Jun 3, 2020

SeV said:
Currently, it's just yellow style spam, hope for interrupts and a weird unintuitive way to PB attacks (aim at invisible boxes in the air near the opponents model).

Yes, now apply these fighting styles from the FA gamemodes and put them onto Mandalorian/Wookie/Bounty Hunter/Hero classes with Vibroblades, the game would boom like mad, and let's not forget the other capabilities that open could have with all the things we see in even legends. seriously just let me be a non-force sensitive taking on saberists as some assassin/mandalorian nobody cares about balance, but fun. and nothing would beat a pre vizla class

[SE] Maren · Jun 3, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
You could start by updating the Singleplayer to be compatible with the NPCs and look into a further project of making it co-op.

If you're looking for story join our roleplay clan, singleplayer for this would be ridiculious and take years to make.
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Movie Battles II V1.6.2 Released

Savilex-

KaniganTheMando

Spaghetti

Floating in the void

Savilex-

Spaghetti

Floating in the void

Savilex-

Nex

^})^Macrobyte

Preston

Nerd

FrenzY

Chaos Connoisseur

FrenzY

Chaos Connoisseur

Arthas

SneakDissing

^})^Macrobyte

Preston

Nerd

KaniganTheMando

Rosh+

NERO

[SE] Maren

[SE] Maren