Enforcing Rules for Server Owners

[Iscandar]

I had written this in an offtopic thread:

The Moviebattles team could easily give server owners a list of rules to follow themselves, given that they have the power to blacklist their servers from the master list. However, they'd rather let "democracy" play its course. Democracy, in its purest form, is a tyranny by the majority and the majority is always the lowest common denominator. It doesn't matter how many buffoons put their heads together and "collectively decide," because none of their ideas will ever be better than the greatest thinker in the group.

If the team were in the least bit courageous and tactful enough, they would have laid down the rules long ago. They could have ended the boring one-map 24/7 servers several years ago and forced the more arrogant clans to play nice. Again, however, they have a false notion that free-market capitalism and "democracy," in their purest forms, are the best philosophies, both in life and in MBII. This is objectively wrong. The extreme of socialism is communism, and the extreme of capitalism is a tyranny by the elite. Both philosophies, when separated, fail miserably. The only functional and fair government comes out of the marriage of both philosophies.

Because the MBII team has not put their foot down about these clans or the types of servers they run, they can feel free to do as they please - ban whomever they want, and if they choose, play one map and one mode forever. Here is where the pure democracy and free-market capitalism fails. If no higher force is there to regulate the strongest governing bodies, then those bodies can do as they please without fear of consequence. You might say "if this is what the people want, then they deserve it. We can't force server owners to do what we want because it's undemocratic, and they paid for their servers." To which I say allowing a tyranny to exist which doesn't afford the people any other options is equally as undemocratic. You're concerning yourself about the rights of a small tyrannical group of oppressors at the expense of the masses. Even though your intentions are good, the end result is the continuation of tyranny.

Servers which play one map all the time should be blacklisted. Clans which have abusive banning policies should be blacklisted. This is protectionism, simple as that. There is an ocean of great content that over half the players in MBII haven't seen. There are an abundance of old veterans who quit because of a lack of variety. There are singular clans, both on the EU and US side, which largely dominate the playerbase of their respective continents and largely only populate single map servers. If these clans played different content such as different modes and more maps, as well as treated their playerbase with more respect, their singularity would be both welcome and ideal. However, this is a cancer and has to stop. We have been having the same problems for at least a decade now and the team refuses to change anything about it.

Essentially, I'm tired of the MBII team not enforcing rules for server owners. This has to stop. Server owners can ban and harass whomever they please. Being banned from the biggest servers in the game essentially bans one from MBII since they're the only servers played. Single map servers ruin this game for both new and old players. FA is rarely played with large amounts. The enormous amount of maps in MBII's collection aren't even touched. The MBII team has both the need and the right to enforce rules to protect the precious population that we still have.

 

[Puppytine]

Well, I think I can repost what I've posted in other thread:
fffs are you trolling or are you serious?... Because I hope you're trolling, really...
Don't you think that this is simply is not your business, what server does run what map? They have a right to do what they want until they do something aggressive, like naming their server to mimic some other server's name, abusing MBII team members and so on.
Movie Battles developers has a set of their own, "official" servers, why they should force any other server to run some specific map(s)? That would be a pure evil dictatorship, nothing more.

Most servers owners just want to make their servers popular, so they put those maps on the list, which attract more players. Simple laws of free market, and they have a right to do it.
Enforcing modes/maps/whatever those people don't want to play would only shrink our playerbase, and this is definitely not best for business. More people is best for business, and less people isn't.

And what about "Clans which have abusive banning policies"? What is "abusive", really? You know, if some server demanding players to have some standards of behavior, and some other server doesn't, the first one obviously gets more people to cry about "unfair admins" and "stupid rules", but can we really blame those who want to keep some kind of order on their own servers?
Never trust what crowd shouts about "policies", deeply investigate each ban instead, and maybe you'll find that policy balanced and fair. Or maybe you won't, and you'll find only more evidences that admins are real douchebags. Don't know. Just don't blindly trust stereotypes.

After all, they pay for their hosting, not MBII team. They deserve some freedom of hands.

Also, speaking specifically of AOD, that clans is very old and have a long history. They play not only Movie Battles, but a lot of other games, it looks like they're really active and many, their servers are pretty popular, they are important part of MBII community.
Now you're saying they should be blacklisted? Who do you think you are? They are bigger then you, they are probably bigger then any other currently active mb2 clan.
They are too big to fail.

tl;dr:
That's none of your business.
If somebody want to run 24/7 dotf server, they have I right to do it, and you're nobody to forbid it.
If somebody want to play only on dotf, they have I right to do it, and you're nobody to tell people on what map they should play.
If you don't like map roster of some server, go play on some other server. There's plenty of fish in the ocean.
Quit shoving your religion down other people's throats.

 

[M@crobyte]

are you trolling or are you serious?... Because I hope you're trolling, really...

This.

 

[Iscandar]

Well, I think I can repost what I've posted in other thread:
fffs are you trolling or are you serious?... Because I hope you're trolling, really...
Don't you think that this is simply is not your business, what server does run what map? They have a right to do what they want until they do something aggressive, like naming their server to mimic some other server's name, abusing MBII team members and so on.
Movie Battles developers has a set of their own, "official" servers, why they should force any other server to run some specific map(s)?

Server owners have a large responsibility to the community to ensure the greatest playing experience possible, and to ensure the mod is taken in the best direction. Server owners and clans are like corporations, and just as corporations have a duty to ensure the well-being of their consumers and their society, so do server owners. I already explained why the excuse of "it's none of your business; they have the right to do what they want because they payed for it; people could choose to go elsewhere" is ultimately wrong. The "community," otherwise known as the "masses," must be considered as the lowest common denominator. The masses are easily lead, have little power when alone, and generally choose what is easy, even if it damages themselves and their community in the long run. You cannot expect the average person to make proactive and insightful decisions. Thinking along these lines is harsh, but utterly necessary. The common person has to be shown the way, otherwise they will not choose it willingly.

Most new players have never played any map for a significant amount of time. They are far more used to DOTF, and when faced with a new map, they'll generally do poorly on it due to lacking experience. Because they do poorly on that map, and only play it once or twice, they'll form the idea that all maps other than DOTF are bad and cling to DOTF out of ignorance and fear of poor performance. This, coupled with the fallacious propaganda line "DOTF is the best map and that's why we play it" will eventually lead entire generations of new players to believe this lie, and avoid playing anything other than DOTF. Even some veterans have been ensnared by this logic.

That would be a pure evil dictatorship, nothing more.

You think it's good for any singular clan to control, through methods such as size and power, what the masses play on and how they think. Yet when someone says that it's wrong for these clans to abuse the masses and deprive them of an optimal gaming experience, and that this exploitation must be stopped, you say that's evil.

Most servers owners just want to make their servers popular, so they put those maps on the list, which attract more players. Simple laws of free market, and they have a right to do it.

The "free market" allows whomever gains the most power to control what the market does thereafter. They gain that power initially by selling what is simple, easy, and most lucrative to the lowest common denominator. This kind of pandering insults the intelligence of the consumers, and contributes to their dumbing down, not upliftment. Essentially, the corporation will sell the cancerous junk food which is easily consumed and which is highly desired, but it's ultimately detrimental to the consumer's health in the long term. This cheap trick, though it may make a corporation the most "popular" and "powerful," will damage the consumer base over time, making them sicker and more reliant on the products the corporation sells. The "Free Market," which it is erroneously called, allows for enormous levels of consumer exploitation. Thus, what you want is not a "Free Market" but a fair one. Dumbing down and killing the community with cancer, though it is the fault of the community for buying that cancer, is ultimately an evil practice on the part of the corporation. True "freedom" will only lead to unrestrained evil.

Enforcing modes/maps/whatever those people don't want to play would only shrink our playerbase, and this is definitely not best for business. More people is best for business, and less people isn't.

The lack of variety is, in fact, shrinking our playerbase by boring veterans away whose fond memories of the game lie distributed in a variety of maps, not just one. Veterans, whom are frequent players and catalysts for the community, keep the game interesting for new players by providing a challenge and by being knowledgeable. If everyone is equally as bad, then there is nothing for new players to strive for. Likewise, if new players only play on one map, they too will be disappointed that the promise of playing many iconic battles across the Star Wars timeline is limited to simply DOTF, which comes from the worst movie in the entire franchise. Playing one map is a surefire way to KILL a community, or at least deprive it to the extent that what remains is sick, cancerous, or anemic.

Killing a parasite will initially cause a die-off reaction within the organism, because the organism was made reliant on the parasite and so much of that parasite's toxicity is being released. However, upon the death of the parasite, and the subsequent bodily cleansing, the organism becomes healthier than ever. When AOD "died" when the ddosers shut down their servers, MBII entered a Renaissance where every map, even the comical or admittedly bad ones, were played, even if only for giggles. The playerbase did not drop, in fact it had risen, due to the increase in interest from veterans and new players who hadn't seen a variety of content for years or ever.

You also misunderstand what I say. I'd like AOD to stay. They could be a wonderful catalyst for the MBII community. However, in their current state, they only support the continued degradation of the game with their DOTF 24/7 server. The point is not to "kill" any "bad clans" like you seem to think, but to form rules for the game so that everyone can finally experience the game as it was supposed to be played. If AOD should choose to quit stating that "if we leave, the game dies," they'd be proven wrong as they have been before. It would be wiser, then for them to simply do what was right from the beginning.

And what about "Clans which have abusive banning policies"? What is "abusive", really? You know, if some server demanding players to have some standards of behavior, and some other server doesn't, the first one obviously gets more people to cry about "unfair admins" and "stupid rules", but can we really blame those who want to keep some kind of order on their own servers?
Never trust what crowd shouts about "policies", deeply investigate each ban instead, and maybe you'll find that policy balanced and fair. Or maybe you won't, and you'll find only more evidences that admins are real douchebags. Don't know. Just don't blindly trust stereotypes.

Ethics are required if you're going to be an admin. However, ethics are optional when you own the only server that is played, since there are no other alternatives. If ethics are not followed, then banning for petty reasons such as a personal annoyance or a personal vendettas will occur, and they will be impossible to repeal as the entire institution will be equally as corrupt and support that ban. To ensure an official code of ethics for administrators is simply the next step in checks and balances, and is not opposed to democratic ideology. You seem to think I'm of the notion all AOD admins are liars or corrupt. I don't. But the room for corruption currently is quite large.

After all, they pay for their hosting, not MBII team. They deserve some freedom of hands.

Freedom to do what is detrimental to the majority is not a freedom anyone should have. True freedom comes through doing what is good for the majority. Doing what is right, paradoxically, is a very narrow path, but that narrow path is the only way leading to true "freedom." It's not true freedom when a minority group is given the opportunity to oppress the majority group forever.

Also, speaking specifically of AOD, that clans is very old and have a long history. They play not only Movie Battles, but a lot of other games, it looks like they're really active and many, their servers are pretty popular, they are important part of MBII community.
Now you're saying they should be blacklisted? Who do you think you are? They are bigger then you, they are probably bigger then any other currently active mb2 clan.
They are too big to fail.

When you centralize an institution, that institution becomes the most important part of the community. AOD has indeed centralized itself as "THE" provider for servers in the US MBII community. It has also, however, done nearly irreparable harm to the US community by driving off veterans and new players alike with their detrimental single map server. If a central bank were to exist in a country and be the fulcrum on which that country's economy turns, yet also the engine for perpetual debt and inflation, then it has become a parasite that the country relies on. If you allow the parasite to live, it will suck the country dry. If you kill it, you will experience die-off symptoms initially. I've already explained that concept. Single map servers are cancerous and parasitic the community.

Quit shoving your religion down other people's throats.

You cannot accuse someone of something you're also doing without looking hypocritical.

 

[BigBossBigTeef]

Yeah see this is why im staying out of these discussions, I can't type that much again.
I don't even know how the fuck puppy can do it when he sometimes has problems reading English.
I am going to make a few posts and bitch about what I saw and leave it at that.

It has also, however, done nearly irreparable harm to the US community by driving off veterans and new players alike with their detrimental single map server.

Every game has map that the majority loves, there is a reason de_dust2 is the go to counter strike map, dod_bridges for day of defeat, terminal for Cod. Ect.

Those servers exist because people want dotf 24/7 servers.
There are people do play on rotation, but a 24/7 map server is easier to get into because its just casual playing. Its not to win, infact I get some of my training done on 24/7 because of how easy it is to get data for what I am looking for.
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What I have a problem is that how I have to pull teeth for admins to do thier job, when there is like a team of 20 admins. Yes people are going to slip through the cracks, but if you have 20 admins and they all play on one server and ignore the other for several days at a time. There is a problem.

How can not one or two show up and enforce a rule set they created, why do I have to go into my steam friends and cry like a bitch to somebody to get an admin in the server when you have a roster of 20 fucking people. If there was like 4 to 5 people, understandable, 10? Yeah okay I can see how there would be a problem. But 20 admins and not a single one can be assed to show up longer than 5 seconds?

And I have a problem when admins play favorites or allow the nonsense of stacking and skill stacking.
When I see a group of 5 to 6 clan tags on the same team, and my team has like 1 of them and we are getting murdered. That tells me they are in a team-speak and are coordinating against a team of randoms. How is that fair to us? How the fuck are these random people going to have fun when they cant survive longer than a few seconds? Maps that go 18-2 are not fun and they kill servers. Cordinate in groups of 4 and fight each-other, not one giant stack of 8 people and just roll teams.

Here is one that really pisses me off and somehow originated on the AOD server.
The "no beef rule" see, when two people meet who happen to be friends, and on opposite teams. Apparently its okay for them to walk past each-other and flank their respected opposing teams. And not fight.

See apparently there are two players that are brothers. They would always play on opposite teams and not kill each-other ever. They would purposely ignore each-other to the point where they would walk past, and let each-other flank and murder their opposing teams. That is just straight up griefing your team. You can't be trusted period if you are going to let enemies flank your teammates without doing a single goddamn thing about it. and refusing to help them because your brother wants to pad his K/D and ego.

Play on the same fucking team if you want to do that shit. And this person is an admin for crying out loud. Why is and admin and his brother allowed to grief teams like that? How is it perfectly acceptable behavior to let people walk past you and kill your teammates without even warning them? How is this a model of an example to follow on how an admin should behave? That is just plain childish.

 

[M@crobyte]

The MBII team has both the need and the right to enforce rules to protect the precious population that we still have.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum.

I really can't take this thread seriously...but it's giving me a good laugh. Thanks for this. The fact that there is someone in the MBII community that believes the MBII devs should create "rules" for servers they don't own is down right laughable. If the devs ever did this, it would instantly mean the end of the mod. No one who spends their own money and time setting up a server for others to use for free is going to allow a third party to create rules for their servers. It is up to the individuals of the clans to make their own rules and administrate their own people and servers. It would be a different story if all the servers were owned by the MB2 team.

I don't disagree that there are people in well known clans in this community that treat people like garbage. But, you are wrong for thinking that its the MBII team's job to moderate other clans.

Don't like the rules or people of the server you are at? Suck it up, go to a different server, create your own server, or turn off the game. People join servers that are highly populated and have decent ping. There's no reason anyone should create an essay worth of complaints regarding a problem they can't fix.

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

Oh Hell no. I see fascism is still thought of as benign among certain people.

When the devs blacklisted a popular server 1 or 2 years ago I called them right out on it. Most didn't know and were appalled.
Some though, hmmmmmmmm.
People pay for their own shit. Who the hell are you to dictate terms on someone's server?

And let's not pretend the devs themselves are beyond pettiness or failures of character. *cough* Sxx. Among others

I find this thread utterly disgusting. Unless they're giving your computer stds and stealing personal information, mind your business.
The community is the lifeblood of mb. Start blacklisting shit like this - buh bye.

 

[Helix]

Removing dotf from mb2 release would be an easier solution.

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

Like dotf is even a problem anymore. Even this bitching about Aod is ass backward.

I mean, I used to loathe Aod, 8 years of nothing but dotf 24/7. But in the last 2 years they got themselves an active rotation server so whatever issue I had them is gone....if not forgotten.

To have people bitching about dotf spam when they don't know the true horror...don't know how good they have it. Urge to tk the world rising.

 

[M@crobyte]

Removing dotf from mb2 release would be an easier solution.

Cause removing a map that the community appears to be enjoying seems like a great idea...

 

[Iscandar]

This is a grand theatre of double-think and hypocrisy.

Support of clans like AOD also means support of single-map servers, servers wherein people do not have the choice to pick other maps. Should they move to other servers, no one will follow. There is only one real choice - pick whatever server is being populated, or don't play the game. That's not democratic. Rotation servers do not allow freedom of choice over what maps are played in what sequence, or within the rotation at all. RTV servers are the only ones which allowing voting, which is truly the most democratic option. Supporting AOD also means support of a clan who has a policy banning free speech on their servers, disallowing talk of politics, race, religion, or any idea that might be deemed "offensive."

Tell me then, if you are all such great champions of democracy, why do you "vote" for the option which places upon you the most authoritarian of restrictions? By this logic, it is acceptable to vote for an authoritarian rule, but completely unacceptable for an authoritarian rule to enforce democracy. There is no logic in your thoughts. You only use the concepts of "free market" and "democracy" when they suit your whim, which is in this case to maintain the status quo. You're not truly for democracy at all.

 

[NERO]

Skipping everything:
A guy pays his own money to host his own server: he does what ever the fuck he wants with said server, even if nobody likes it.

Don't like what current servers are doing? Splurge a bit and host your own.

Please go.

 

[Insane]

This is a grand theatre of double-think and hypocrisy.

Support of clans like AOD also means support of single-map servers, servers wherein people do not have the choice to pick other maps. Should they move to other servers, no one will follow. There is only one real choice - pick whatever server is being populated, or don't play the game. That's not democratic. Rotation servers do not allow freedom of choice over what maps are played in what sequence, or within the rotation at all. RTV servers are the only ones which allowing voting, which is truly the most democratic option. Supporting AOD also means support of a clan who has a policy banning free speech on their servers, disallowing talk of politics, race, religion, or any idea that might be deemed "offensive."

Tell me then, if you are all such great champions of democracy, why do you "vote" for the option which places upon you the most authoritarian of restrictions? By this logic, it is acceptable to vote for an authoritarian rule, but completely unacceptable for an authoritarian rule to enforce democracy. There is no logic in your thoughts. You only use the concepts of "free market" and "democracy" when they suit your whim, which is in this case to maintain the status quo. You're not truly for democracy at all.

Ugh...you know I don't usually comment on dumb posts like this but in this case I am. With all this talk about Authoritarian rule and no democracy why don't you take to where it really matters, like your local MLA or congressmen. I'm sure with your constructive post's you make decent case of abuse of power to them, hell maybe you can change the world. You wanna know why AOD has the most populated north american servers, maybe it's because people enjoy playing movie battles without having to see debates and comments on politics, race or religion maybe they just want to play the game. And the fact that you are even mentioning banning 24/7 servers is ludicrous and stupid, people can do whatever the hell they want with their servers. So by all means please go take your keyboard warrior skills and take it to some place where it really matters and leave us all in peace thank you.

 

[Viserys]

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum.

I really can't take this thread seriously...but it's giving me a good laugh.

^

I'd also like to point out that when given the choice between DOTF 24/7 and RTV with all maps, the MB2 community chooses DOTF 24/7 (BG servers prove this). It's not the servers, it's what players want. For whatever reason, players want DOTF.

 

[Helix]

^

I'd also like to point out that when given the choice between DOTF 24/7 and RTV with all maps, the MB2 community chooses DOTF 24/7 (BG servers prove this). It's not the servers, it's what players want. For whatever reason, players want DOTF.

This guy has a point though, new people think that DotF is the only played map and thus leave.

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

New people? Lulz.

Silly myths.

Look what happened when TFA came out. New movie, cheap prices on steam - Population spiked for a month or so and then went back to near the same levels.
During the time of the spike, several packed servers, most rotation.

So yeah, it's not that imo. The real issue is simply the age of the game/mod. Hard to compete against all the other shiny and new toys.

 

[Puppytine]

Server owners have a large responsibility to the community to ensure the greatest playing experience possible, and to ensure the mod is taken in the best direction. Server owners and clans are like corporations, and just as corporations have a duty to ensure the well-being of their consumers and their society, so do server owners.

Sounds like a typical corporative bullshit that always makes me puke.
I don't like corporations, and their so-called "corporative culture" which, in fact, is nothing more than a corporate fascism. I don't want this stuff become a thing in mb2 universe, to many things are already poisoned.
Just look at Star Wars for example, freaking Disney have erased something that a lot of people loved by a waving a hand! I'm sure their motivation was a pretty similar to yours, "we know better", "everybody are idiots" etc.

I really hate when governments/corporations/society/whatever tell people what to do, what they should like and what they shouldn't. That's really grinds my gears.
10 years ago I was huge fanboy of Google, I believed in "Don't be evil", and look at the Google now... Or maybe you like it? Do you like what big corporations do these days?

Most new players have never played any map for a significant amount of time. They are far more used to DOTF, and when faced with a new map, they'll generally do poorly on it due to lacking experience. Because they do poorly on that map, and only play it once or twice, they'll form the idea that all maps other than DOTF are bad and cling to DOTF out of ignorance and fear of poor performance. This, coupled with the fallacious propaganda line "DOTF is the best map and that's why we play it" will eventually lead entire generations of new players to believe this lie, and avoid playing anything other than DOTF. Even some veterans have been ensnared by this logic.

No. People play maps those they like, and don't play those they don't. Easy. And there are a lot of servers in the list, with very different map policy.
All you're trying to do is tell some meaningful number of people that their opinion doesn't mean shit and everybody must obey you. What is it, if not a dictatorship?

You think it's good for any singular clan to control, through methods such as size and power, what the masses play on and how they think. Yet when someone says that it's wrong for these clans to abuse the masses and deprive them of an optimal gaming experience, and that this exploitation must be stopped, you say that's evil.

Blablabla. They control nothing except their own server. There is a lot of other servers, and you're free to found a new one. That's matter of free choice.

Essentially, the corporation will sell the cancerous junk food which is easily consumed and which is highly desired, but it's ultimately detrimental to the consumer's health in the long term.

If somebody sells cancerous foods, he should be punished, really. But there is a difference between "cancerous food" and "not healthy enough food".
I'd prefer to be protected from a things those can get me a lethal disease, but also I don't want anybody to control how many ice cream and cakes I eat. That's none of your business.

And stop comparing cancerous food and dotf, that's not the same. Servers should be blacklisted only in case of some obvious damaging the community, like propaganda of using cheats, hate speeches against mb2 developers, naming a server by name of already existing server and so on.
But playing same map 24/7 isn't a crime, it's just a policy of server's owner.

Dumbing down and killing the community with cancer, though it is the fault of the community for buying that cancer, is ultimately an evil practice on the part of the corporation. True "freedom" will only lead to unrestrained evil.

You're just trying to obtrude your opinions about what's good and what's evil to the whole community.
That's a pretty ironic, since there are people in the world, who think that computer games are evil, like Jack Thompson, for example. If they had a power, we would probably didn't have a right to play games at all.

Thinking that you can say people how to live their lives is a truly cancer.

However, in their current state, they only support the continued degradation of the game with their DOTF 24/7 server

They SUPPORT degradation of MBII by paying for HOSTING a MBII server? Really?
It's just doesn't make any sense. C'mon, they even have a rotation server, where people can play not-so-popular maps. What the hell do you want?

No need to be a genius to understand that banning the one of most popular game server from master list will have a horrible consequences for game's playerbase. That simply will piss AOD members off.

True freedom comes through doing what is good for the majority.

I called it "communism". I want it hear no more. The only freedom is freedom to do whatever you want, while that doesn't do a direct damage to other people.

It's not true freedom when a minority group is given the opportunity to oppress the majority group forever.

But it seems that you are a minority who want to oppress the majority of players, who want their dotf 24/7.

It has also, however, done nearly irreparable harm to the US community by driving off veterans

Proofpic or it didn't happen.
Do you have any evidences that veterans driven off due some servers run dotf 24/7, or do you just take a cool storied from you head? Did you perform any researches/investigations?

Stop roleplaying Palpatine ffs.

I don't even know how the fuck puppy can do it when he sometimes has problems reading English.

Yeah, that hurts... both reading and writing, but sometimes it worth to put some effort, I guess...

Here is one that really pisses me off and somehow originated on the AOD server.
The "no beef rule" see, when two people meet who happen to be friends, and on opposite teams. Apparently its okay for them to walk past each-other and flank their respected opposing teams. And not fight.

See apparently there are two players that are brothers. They would always play on opposite teams and not kill each-other ever. They would purposely ignore each-other to the point where they would walk past, and let each-other flank and murder their opposing teams. That is just straight up griefing your team. You can't be trusted period if you are going to let enemies flank your teammates without doing a single goddamn thing about it. and refusing to help them because your brother wants to pad his K/D and ego.

Play on the same fucking team if you want to do that shit. And this person is an admin for crying out loud. Why is and admin and his brother allowed to grief teams like that? How is it perfectly acceptable behavior to let people walk past you and kill your teammates without even warning them? How is this a model of an example to follow on how an admin should behave? That is just plain childish.

Yes, that sucks. And there is nothing wrong with criticizing AOD servers for that, there is nothing wrong with criticizing any server for anything.
But I hope you don't want AOD to be blacklisted for that, right? That's what I am trying to say to TS.

btw back in the days (2007-2008) that kind of acting had much more spread...

Supporting AOD also means support of a clan who has a policy banning free speech on their servers, disallowing talk of politics, race, religion, or any idea that might be deemed "offensive."

It's their home, they have a right to do it. Just shut up and play.
Or start your own server, with chess and poetesses, or whine on forums, or whatever, but blacklist them?... Too much!

if you are all such great champions of democracy

I don't care about democracy, I care only about freedom/liberalism.
The purpose of democracy is enforce freedom, but that's work only in advanced societies. In Russia, people tends to elect somebody who take away their rights, like Putin or Stalin. If there would be a real democracy in China, they would end up with new Mao, I didn't even mentioned "countries" like Palestine... ever heard about "One man, one vote, one time"?

The difference between me and you is that you want enforce AOD to do what you want, using power that MBII team has over them. I may point out some things I don't like in AOD, but I respect their rights to do it.
And, which is more important, I respect right of MBII team to do what they want with their private game, so I wouldn't go cry to the hosters of Movie Battles demanding "stop host moviebattles.org because they blacklisted AOD" even if I could.
People should be more careful about what they want to blacklist.

 

[Cat Lady]

Simply put - won't happen. the official servers is what MBII team care for in terms of "enforcing standards", and 3th party servers are thing we neither have control, nor want to (save for few basic things like mimicking other servers, etc).

There is very easy way to "vote" against servers that you don't like - not playing on them. If even seeing them hurt your eyes (or you hate them but you can't stop playing on them ), you can blacklist their addresses in your operating system's "hosts" file, aka firewall yourself. It is not like RL ("meatspace"), where those abortion protesters are just siting on your way to work/school sticking posters with dismembered bodies into your face - as far as MB2 is concerned, you can make yourself totally separated from places that you're not interested into participating in.

/Cat Lady

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Also, closing, cause last few posts exchanges are just re-iterating same arguments over and over, so it seems the topic is moot now.