Moviebattles II R21.8.00 Released

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T02:39:03+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
The moment when I was crying for dev support to un fuck so many areas of open mode code, so that it would essentially be text edits to balance. But people had to focus on other shit instead.

Remember, even doing basic ammo stuff was spread across multiple functions with certain groups of weapons having their own function just to give basic balance values. Rather than ya know, being essentially in a singular text editing spot like a sane person would put it. How much better/faster open mode balance would be if ya know it got the resources sooner! Amazing.

I'd imagine when getting in pissing contests with John, who was a very active contributor to the MBII codebase at the time, it'd be very hard to get the things you want to see done with the game. Making grand roadmaps and aspiring visions for the game is much different from actually implementing them.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T02:40:43+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
They're fully in their power to infract me for that. I don't give a shit to be cordial to your ass anymore after the shit you pulled.

Care to elaborate what I've pulled? Aside from providing tools to the community to give more power to the player and dedicated server owners, and for people to distribute their own work? Creating a mod.io solution in a fast record time. You've nothing else to attack me for anymore. One of the recent big ones was to open source the Supremacy project work or you will GUARANTEE your maps will never work with anything I make (which isn't possible, but I found that funny) but when I do that it's all crickets and not a single thank you or willing way to work further.

"The shit you pulled" you guys act like I'm the MBII boogeyman, the next Sxx or something. Get a grip man.

You are everything wrong with this game and more, and the only reason why they don't get rid of your ass or cut out your tongue (like me) is because of what assets you provide. I'm sure they wish they didn't have to put up with a wailing banshee of a manchild anytime they want to see your map work integrated. Instead, you find the need to poke your fingers in other things that honestly shouldn't concern you, like Legends development, instead.

MaceMadunusus · 2026-01-14T02:46:48+0000

2cwldys said:
I'd imagine when getting in pissing contests with John, who was a very active contributor to the MBII codebase at the time, it'd be very hard to get the things you want to see done with the game.

GCJ said:
I appreciate the heart to heart here, I know we don't always get along, but I admire your work effort and ability to just get things done, its much like myself in a way.

[snip]

I know we get under each others skin somtimes, but I admire the fact that you can let all that go and not hold a grudge and get some work done.

Like I said, you don't really know shit 2c. John and I can actually work together, and sometimes work pretty well and talk clearly with one another. Our disagreements were almost entirely about organization/focus. Like ya know getting things like conquest done before we took on new tasks. But things like custom point builds for legends (which while cool) took time away from finishing stuff that was started before, and should be in the game now kinda thing. That was most of my disagreements with John. I always easily ignore past grievances and shit if people actually sit down and work as a team. I came back to work on conquest and it felt great for a bit, having people working towards a common thing. But then it just became individualist pet projects again.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T02:49:29+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
Like I said, you don't really know shit 2c. John and I can actually work together, and sometimes work pretty well and talk clearly with one another. Our disagreements were almost entirely about organization/focus. Like ya know getting things like conquest done before we took on new tasks. But things like custom point builds for legends (which while cool) took time away from finishing stuff that was started before, and should be in the game now kinda thing. That was most of my disagreements with John. I always easily ignore past grievances and shit if people actually sit down and work as a team.

Interesting, interesting, yet I never experienced this side from you or others on the MBII team when I was so willingly and clearly wanting to work with you guys and see the hard work integrated. There's a "heart to heart" to be expected between members but I never got anything of the sort? Food for thought. You can't onboard team members and then treat them like human garbage and expect them to not react, and find a reason to pull the trigger.

MaceMadunusus · 2026-01-14T02:53:24+0000

2cwldys said:
Interesting, interesting, yet I never experienced this side from you or others on the MBII team when I was so willingly and clearly wanting to work with you guys and see the hard work integrated. There's a "heart to heart" to be expected between members but I never got anything of the sort? Food for thought. You can't onboard team members and then treat them like human garbage and expect them to not react, and find a reason to pull the trigger.

I think we proved we tried to work with you, and I even said on multiple times I wanted to be a part of your idea for supremacy making the UI components, some code (mostly conquest related), etc. for it. But the moment it became time, you bit my head of for saying things like you can just do push requests for the repo to have your stuff included, its not a requirement a FA dev be a part of the team to have content officially in the mod. The same is for level designers and modelers too. The only people who really need to be a part of the team to have their stuff officially included are coders. And you bit our head off for wanting to keep certain standards.

Hell, I even told leons before he joined the team, that if he wanted his UI mods to be officially included in the mod when they're ready to just let me know and I'll put them in kinda thing.

2cwldys · 2026-01-14T03:01:18+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
I think we proved we tried to work with you, and I even said on multiple times I wanted to be a part of your idea for supremacy making the UI components, some code (mostly conquest related), etc. for it. But the moment it became time, you bit my head of for saying things like you can just do push requests for the repo to have your stuff included, its not a requirement a FA dev be a part of the team to have content officially in the mod. The same is for level designers and modelers too. The only people who really need to be a part of the team to have their stuff officially included are coders. And you bit our head off for wanting to keep certain standards.

Hell, I even told leons before he joined the team, that if he wanted his UI mods to be officially included in the mod when they're ready to just let me know and I'll put them in kinda thing.

I just think it's incredibly astounding you can leave, return, leave, return; so many times, while mass deleting work or code branches pertaining to your maps or conquest. Setting the mod back from releasing Conquest by months each time. Having full blown arguments far worse than I've had, that warranted my permaban. Then they invite you back with a red carpet each time, the treatment I've faced is incredibly shocking VS the special dispensation they give you. While I'm picking for scraps here to get the things I want to see done, and accessible to all players.

Those standards you are also talking about was about 1 MAP fa that wasn't even honestly anything related to the Supremacy project, but was housed in it's assets. I don't want this to devolve into a red herring here, but stating for fact that it isn't by "inability to work with the team" bc I want my own oversight with a levelshot I wanted to make. In lieu of these certain standards you're talking about, it pulls the scope of the acceptance of the Supremacy project completely out of scale.

You also say "biting your head off" but instead of like "Yes, I'll test your things" like unguided and countless other devs had, I still don't understand why I had to be constantly treated like the work is not good enough; told you're beyond such things and it's below you, when it was being enjoyed by players and continuously each event, to where we had 32 players each time just about. I'm still sour that an entire gamemode is robbed from the players because of gross neglect, being in the MBII team's peripheral, and how you guys view FA development and distribution of assets. Honestly the whole "ported" "legal" argument I wasn't buying anymore. I still think you guys have a lot to change of how you view FA developers, and people like Goosto need more respect and credibility. It may just be "editing of text files" but it can eventually become a work of art, outside of a handful of characters and two siegeteams. I'm still convinced however you won't want to provide any sort of UI support to someone who "doesnt know anything" who seems to have provided so much, still being forced to be that "crazy supremacy dev guy" when in reality I'm still on the sidelines as I began. I'm still convinced there can be a mod left but it won't be achieved with this backwards ass view you guys have on simple things like simply contributing to your game. The work is open sourced, wtf else do you want.

It's also incredibly frustrating to go through what I went through, and someone else minimalize it by saying "it is really just that easy to see your work in." Crazy work.

MaceMadunusus · 2026-01-14T03:11:39+0000

2cwldys said:
I just think it's incredibly astounding you can leave, return, leave, return; so many times, while mass deleting work or code branches pertaining to your maps or conquest. Setting the mod back from releasing Conquest by months each time.

Remember how you and john were talking about releasing conquest half finished without any maps before I came back? Yeah... this shit doesn't fly with anyone who knows what the fuck actually happened. And I never left, came back, left again during conquest "setting it back months each time" because I only did that the last time, and yet I even told defiant he could release the mode tomorrow and I would put the maps up for download. I am just supporting them externally like you do.

2cwldys said:
You also say "biting your head off" but instead of like "Yes, I'll test your things" like unguided and countless other devs had, I still don't understand why I had to be constantly treated like the work is not good enough

Again, testing is irrelevant when I said your work could be included in the mod without me even seeing any of it because I trusted your work enough, but that it just needed some polish that both you and john admitted had not been done yet that we talked about in our voice conversation years ago when you started the project. Also implying that I would even accept the pull request if it was submitted to the repo for inclusion without any requirement that you be a dev for it to be available for players and again without testing because I trusted what you said about players liking it and it playing well. I was only upholding you to your own polish level standards we talked about in that conversation for what you wanted your vision to look like.

You had my support. You lost it when you became an asshole and misinterpreted my words and intentions.

hera · 2026-01-14T03:52:33+0000

cinder, if you are reading this, you owe me 10 credits.

LadiesMan_217 · 2026-01-14T04:40:48+0000

MaceMadunusus said:
Like I said, you don't really know shit 2c. John and I can actually work together, and sometimes work pretty well and talk clearly with one another. Our disagreements were almost entirely about organization/focus. Like ya know getting things like conquest done before we took on new tasks. But things like custom point builds for legends (which while cool) took time away from finishing stuff that was started before, and should be in the game now kinda thing. That was most of my disagreements with John. I always easily ignore past grievances and shit if people actually sit down and work as a team. I came back to work on conquest and it felt great for a bit, having people working towards a common thing. But then it just became individualist pet projects again.

Hey man I kinda disagree with most of ur comments. The fact you troll this awesome community with these takes is beyond me. U disrespect the devs and loyal players (like the one ur bashing at) when I’ve seen you only cheese with Burg nonstop. Ur not good at the game dude…plus u shit on these other players when they’re wayyyy better than u at this game. Kinda embarrassing considering cause ur a ‘’veteran’’ when you’re actually a ‘’loser’’. U can’t melee or saber to save ur life

Also here’s some other comments: New update makes countering to saberists too difficult on Death Star. Devs need to really think this through before trolling us AGAIN like this. When are they going to make the threshold 70!! Anderaan has no balance either.

LadiesMan_217 · 2026-01-14T05:00:06+0000

2cwldys said:
Interesting, interesting, yet I never experienced this side from you or others on the MBII team when I was so willingly and clearly wanting to work with you guys and see the hard work integrated. There's a "heart to heart" to be expected between members but I never got anything of the sort? Food for thought. You can't onboard team members and then treat them like human garbage and expect them to not react, and find a reason to pull the trigger.

yea man I totally agree with you here. Mace gets the red carpet for no reason man. Ditches the players and screws up the team dynamic. Not what movie battles is about.

LadiesMan_217 · 2026-01-14T05:09:33+0000

Ham1 said:
Dude there's people that flat out don't touch open and just play legends, If the formula of open wasn't fucked with so much we wouldn't be here today discussing this. Saying that Legends hasn't gained mb2 any new players is ridiculous and out of touch almost.

It’s cause Mace spends more time ditching the community, he doesn’t realize how fucked open is man. He’s super out of touch with the game and working with the developers team. He has to feed his Napoleon personality by ‘’promoting his vision’’ and having ‘’disagreements on organization’’ but he’s just a control freak that can’t manage his own personality, much less this game. MB2 will move on without you Mace, ur fucked in the head buddy

Jay Brando · 2026-01-14T05:54:21+0000

shea conn said:
If people actually enjoyed the ctf mode it would have had its own dedicated servers further fragmenting the open playerbase.

I like ctf and ptf

Teh Evil Cow · 2026-01-14T10:05:11+0000

what movie battles is really about is having an off topic flame war in the release notes

(Who is LadiesMan_217? Totally not suspicious join date...)

ThEra · 2026-01-14T10:30:40+0000

Teh Evil Cow said:
what movie battles is really about is having an off topic flame war in the release notes

(Who is LadiesMan_217? Totally not suspicious join date...)

Thats how u know the game is still alive. Passionate players and devs arguing about what needs to be done to ensure the game and all four of its gamemodes remain in a healthy state! Glory to legends, death to scr*mmers who tried to ruin our fun!

[SE] Maren · 2026-01-14T11:06:02+0000

I can rework open

MaceMadunusus said:
The moment when I was crying for dev support to un fuck so many areas of open mode code, so that it would essentially be text edits to balance. But people had to focus on other shit instead.

Remember, even doing basic ammo stuff was spread across multiple functions with certain groups of weapons having their own function just to give basic balance values. Rather than ya know, being essentially in a singular text editing spot like a sane person would put it. How much better/faster open mode balance would be if ya know it got the resources sooner! Amazing.

I can do this if you allow server owners to have more control for round timers

Moviebattles II R21.8.00 Released

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

2cwldys

Supremacy Maintainer

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

hera

LadiesMan_217

LadiesMan_217

LadiesMan_217

Jay Brando

Teh Evil Cow

ThEra

[SE] Maren