V1.4 Update Released!

Kazi · May 9, 2016

This version is a load of ＧＡＲＢＡＧＥ, you forgot to put hugging back in.

MaceMadunusus · May 9, 2016

Kazi said:
This version is a load of ＧＡＲＢＡＧＥ, you forgot to put hugging back in.

daed game 0/10

Jeob · May 9, 2016

Another build which focused on sabering changes only to be called shit by a lot of people. It's just so funny that every new saber system gets called the worst shit, but next update, people say it's even worse. I seriously can't imagine just how bad the saber system at the moment is, because apparently its quality just keeps dropping and dropping, and it was already the "worst" when I started playing.

Real talk, as I remember the only build which got kind of positive feedback when it came out was v1.0 (following since v0, before that idk). When I was reading the feedback of v1.0. I was like, cool, then finally something else could get real updates besides sabering, but no, after that came 1.1 which replaced the PB system iirc. Sabering is secondary for me in this game, but I must admit, 1.1 even affected me and felt totally unnecessary as the people seemed to love 1.0 from the start. After 1.1...meh. Imo 1.4 sabering is far better than 1.3 from many aspects anyway. Only thing I don't like in 1.4 is yellow's duel perk.

What I would like to see is that saber system stops getting updated, and we would get even more stuff for open, or more maps, more crazy FA features/maps. For example features like wookie fury, it was amazing when it came out (and was way more op lol). Or new grenades, weapons. Maybe some class overhaul, let's say for SBD (people talked about that in other threads).

Yes, I know, we still get open features, like flinch now, but I feel there could be way more stuff for open if the devs neglected the saber system for once. Come on, it's so unforgiving to make any saber changes, people will just come and spout shit with no respect for the devs whatsoever, claiming that it just got worse. Everyone wins, people keep their loved saber system, and devs are saved from some bitching. (actually from a lot of bitching and rage talk)

Gumba · May 9, 2016

Ascot Supreme said:
I'll sell you to ISIS for free.

More like a B.

Plasma · May 9, 2016

Jeob said:
What I would like to see is that saber system stops getting updated, and we would get even more stuff for open, or more maps, more crazy FA features/maps. For example features like wookie fury, it was amazing when it came out (and was way more op lol). Or new grenades, weapons. Maybe some class overhaul, let's say for SBD (people talked about that in other threads).

Yes, I know, we still get open features, like flinch now, but I feel there could be way more stuff for open if the devs neglected the saber system for once. Come on, it's so unforgiving to make any saber changes, people will just come and spout shit with no respect for the devs whatsoever, claiming that it just got worse. Everyone wins, people keep their loved saber system, and devs are saved from some bitching. (actually from a lot of bitching and rage talk)

Not every coder is working on that saber system and the work done on it doesn't really have too much to do with no new maps being in this one either. Though I can see your point we're at 1.4 and sooner or later the saber system has to be at a point where it's done it shouldn't be overhauled all the time.

Chaos the Chaotic · May 9, 2016

People mad because they can't combo spam their little black hearts out.

From a realistic stand point - makes sense. You block an attack, there is some rebound - not the traditional let me bounce off 3 quick attacks after my sword struck urs

On the other, the pb blocking mechanics still suck.

Still prefer the more visceral saber vs saber pre-1.3 blocking. That's a decade of blocking goodness that very few complained about.
Except of course the fanboy duelists with accents

Racism!

SeV · May 9, 2016

Plasma said:
Not every coder is working on that saber system and the work done on it doesn't really have too much to do with no new maps being in this one either. Though I can see your point we're at 1.4 and sooner or later the saber system has to be at a point where it's done it shouldn't be overhauled all the time.

Yes, and I doubt 1.4 system will get overhauled. It shouldn't be overhauled anyways, just minor changes at this point. The reason why the saber system got overhauled in 1.4 was because 1.3 was boring and shit

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Zerobot1 · May 9, 2016

Great job guys, don't get cocky.

I'll definitely try out the new release this week, the removal of that purple FP drain perk is especially tantalising.

Helix · May 9, 2016

Tristan117 said:
Fuckin A

Tristan117 said:
1.4 will not see me if it remains in its current state. But it will see you. Too bad really.

What? I thought you've left. Welcome back. Again.

T r i s t a n · May 9, 2016

Helix said:
What? I thought you've left. Welcome back. Again.

Trying to pick a fight with me now ehhhhhhhhhhhhh? That flame war is beneath me.

seth07777777 · May 10, 2016

Even if ascot is kinda piss off and use not enought diplomacy im agree with him.
Yea we have the choice beetween many class but since now 2008 i only play with saber, i never like gun in a SW game cause i don't like the feeling of non balistic weapon.
So yes i could play other thing than saber duel but i won't enjoy the game. so i don't. and im sad, caus i miss my game.
And its so sad to see dat the dev team get everything else right, except the one thing i do care about :/ bad luck for me

Btw , yes jeob you are correct sir, every patch its worst for the saber system and its now under the sea when u compar to older build.
But please , dev team, for the next patch, take the new saber system out go back to 1.3 and stick it there for eternity and focus to evreything else. I prefer eat grass over shit

Venk · May 10, 2016

Mine just doesn't seem to be working properly. I double click on the MBII launcher, it says a new version is available to download. I download it, it downloads, I contemplate life for 15 mins, it does the please restart the MBII launcher, but when I reopen it, I'm back at square 1 with the whole a new version is available to download.

AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG? ;_;

Lessen · May 10, 2016

Have you tried burning all your files and starting fresh, cuz, that's worth a shot

Venk · May 10, 2016

how do you mean? just delete all of my MBII data?

----Kas---- · May 10, 2016

Good job! New update!
I came to terms with the fact that I didn't like new saber system and I never will. So I decided to stick to gunner as I used to in the past. But no, with the new aiming issues you can't even aim normally. I don't know if it is a bug or what. So no more jedi/sith for me on duel servers, no gunner in open mode, what am I supposed to play now? A spectator? That is why I decided to post this.

Don't instruct us, that we should adapt to the new system. Don't say that we can't judge it because: "Och it's a new system, and you played it for two days only, so you know nothing about it haha". In fact, if you played previous saber builds, read changelog and played beta, then you know how the new system works after an hour of playing, and you KNOW THAT YOU WON'T LIKE IT in the future no matter what. Don't post stupid gif's here, you didn't listen to the feedback on beta. You do whatever you like because you are the mighty devs and we, the community can't do anything about it. Posts like "adapt or leave" show that this saber system was made by and for a specific group of people within mb2 community. If saber systems used to be better in the past, V.1, V0, maybe earlier, then revert it to it's previous state, what's the problem? Aaaach you have to develop the game... so:

1. You changed classic spam to nugde spam. You would tell me: Block spam with pblock, it stops the combo, YAY! I say: Try to pblock duals, staff, good luck.
2. You would say: Use nudge to your advantage! I say: Why would I want to do a mindless spam that requires no more combo practice?
3. You would say: Play defensively! Use counters to your advantage! I say: Why? I don't want to be in defence all the time :| What's more, look at point 1.
4. You would say: If you don't like it you nub, then leave, noone will cry after one sad guy who don't like our ideas!. I say: 1+1+1+...= mb2 community, and I think it's not that numerous that you can afford to lose people now. Who will you play with? xD

I bet someone put some work in new saber system and I respect that, but really, if you know anything about product development, you know that sticking to only one idea, only because you already started working on it, and you feel you don't want to lose your effort is a simple way to failure. Without consulting it with the people who are your target, you can't create anything that will suit their demands. Or maybe you weren't trying at all??? Maybe you just do whatever you want and the fact that others will use your product is only a nice side effect?

To the people who say that saber combat is not that important: It is very important, it's the reason why big part of mb2 community plays this game, and not SW Battlefront for example.

When it comes to open mode changes, I like them. Except the fact that aiming is screwed up huh?

Again everything was explained in this thread 1.4 Open Beta Dueling Feedback . From that thread you can learn that first I was against changes, then I changed my mind and hoped that 1.4 would be a good change. Now I know I must have eaten something addle...

Venk · May 10, 2016

----Kas---- said:
Good job! New update!
I came to terms with the fact that I didn't like new saber system and I never will. So I decided to stick to gunner as I used to in the past. But no, with the new aiming issues you can't even aim normally. I don't know if it is a bug or what. So no more jedi/sith for me on duel servers, no gunner in open mode, what am I supposed to play now? A spectator? That is why I decided to post this.

Don't instruct us, that we should adapt to the new system. Don't say that we can't judge it because: "Och it's a new system, and you played it for two days only, so you know nothing about it haha". In fact, if you played previous saber builds, read changelog and played beta, then you know how the new system works after an hour of playing, and you KNOW THAT YOU WON'T LIKE IT in the future no matter what. Don't post stupid gif's here, you didn't listen to the feedback on beta. You do whatever you like because you are the mighty devs and we, the community can't do anything about it. Posts like "adapt or leave" show that this saber system was made by and for a specific group of people within mb2 community. If saber systems used to be better in the past, V.1, V0, maybe earlier, then revert it to it's previous state, what's the problem? Aaaach you have to develop the game... so:

1. You changed classic spam to nugde spam. You would tell me: Block spam with pblock, it stops the combo, YAY! I say: Try to pblock duals, staff, good luck.
2. You would say: Use nudge to your advantage! I say: Why would I want to do a mindless spam that requires no more combo practice?
3. You would say: Play defensively! Use counters to your advantage! I say: Why? I don't want to be in defence all the time :| What's more, look at point 1.
4. You would say: If you don't like it you nub, then leave, noone will cry after one sad guy who don't like our ideas!. I say: 1+1+1+...= mb2 community, and I think it's not that numerous that you can afford to lose people now. Who will you play with? xD

I bet someone put some work in new saber system and I respect that, but really, if you know anything about product development, you know that sticking to only one idea, only because you already started working on it, and you feel you don't want to lose your effort is a simple way to failure. Without consulting it with the people who are your target, you can't create anything that will suit their demands. Or maybe you weren't trying at all??? Maybe you just do whatever you want and the fact that others will use your product is only a nice side effect?

To the people who say that saber combat is not that important: It is very important, it's the reason why big part of mb2 community plays this game, and not SW Battlefront for example.

When it comes to open mode changes, I like them. Except the fact that aiming is screwed up huh?

Again everything was explained in this thread 1.4 Open Beta Dueling Feedback . From that thread you can learn that first I was against changes, then I changed my mind and hoped that 1.4 would be a good change. Now I know I must have eaten something addle...

uhhhh thanks I guess? lmao

Venk · May 10, 2016

Ok I got 1.4 working after reinstalling... but now it keeps kicking me out of games telling me to play via the launcher and keep it running... even though I'm starting it via launcher...
ಠ_ಠ

Markyle · May 10, 2016

Taking two days to judge a new patch seems immature at best. Keep playing!!!! The information you acquired through the last few builds WILL transfer over. I'd like to restate that my initial opinion of 1.4 is positive, but will of course be keeping an eye out for problems like a community member should. Try supplying real/factual evidence of issues for feedback. Immature bantering is the most wrong way to approach this. Endless rants and bashing does not equate to balance changes.

I'm not an expert duelist, and have never claimed being better than average, but what I know for certain is that duels have become more fun for ME. Having an intense duel for an entire round is one of the most enjoyable things mb2 has to offer. Reviving the nudge is taking a lot of heat, but in a few weeks I'm sure that will all go away when all who are complaining learn to adjust.

Ascot Supreme · May 10, 2016

I refuse to be diplomatic considering a good portion of the community gave the devs the feed back they wanted. Most games leave an open beta for at least a week period, something the devs should've done so everyone could've had enough time to play around with the update and decide if they really like it. Instead it was, like, two days? The devs basically ignored feed back and decided to do what they wanted and now seem surprised how harsh the criticism is. Meanwhile you have people that were never good with sabers to begin with who call anyone who says the system is gimped up children because now this system favors their method of playing. How do they even play? I don't know. Apparently the current norm is to spam yellow, and dual side spam. The game holds your hands now with seemingly increased pblocks and half-blocks I got without even trying to do either, which ruins combos (and people want to claim that's realistic right? If you're stupid enough to sit there and take it, your opponent would just bash your defenses in. If you want realism in this game then you also wouldn't die losing a limb, shrapnel would be a thing, and so forth.) Also apparently this update screwed us over because... Gunners got confused on saber styles? What? So basically this system was made so a gunner can get cheap kills? I've seen gunners be effective against force users more than on a rare occasion. SO now this update also basically tells gunners that they're all children who needs hand holding, instead of learning to play the game and get good. Out of all the saber updates this is the worst because the other updates only required a bit of adaption, maybe a refinement of fighting style, and you could carry over skill from previous builds and still hold yourself because regardless of the change you could still rely on your skill and what you've learnt from experience to be alright.

This update does not allow that. It basically PUNISHES experienced duelists.

And that is why so many people are pissed. Maybe next time you devs will listen before pushing out a terrible release and then trying to justify it when clearly the community, your player-base, does not CARE for your bad reasoning.

Also keep in mind that experienced duelists such as Kael and basically half of GAR agree this update is trash. Keep in mind the randoms and even well known people ive encountered have agreed this update is trash. Your loyal veteran database agrees its trash.

Preston · May 10, 2016

Ascot Supreme said:
I refuse to be diplomatic considering a good portion of the community gave the devs the feed back they wanted. Most games leave an open beta for at least a week period, something the devs should've done so everyone could've had enough time to play around with the update and decide if they really like it. Instead it was, like, two days? The devs basically ignored feed back and decided to do what they wanted and now seem surprised how harsh the criticism is. Meanwhile you have people that were never good with sabers to begin with who call anyone who says the system is gimped up children because now this system favors their method of playing. How do they even play? I don't know. Apparently the current norm is to spam yellow, and dual side spam. The game holds your hands now with seemingly increased pblocks and half-blocks I got without even trying to do either, which ruins combos (and people want to claim that's realistic right? If you're stupid enough to sit there and take it, your opponent would just bash your defenses in. If you want realism in this game then you also wouldn't die losing a limb, shrapnel would be a thing, and so forth.) Also apparently this update screwed us over because... Gunners got confused on saber styles? What? So basically this system was made so a gunner can get cheap kills? I've seen gunners be effective against force users more than on a rare occasion. SO now this update also basically tells gunners that they're all children who needs hand holding, instead of learning to play the game and get good. Out of all the saber updates this is the worst because the other updates only required a bit of adaption, maybe a refinement of fighting style, and you could carry over skill from previous builds and still hold yourself because regardless of the change you could still rely on your skill and what you've learnt from experience to be alright.

This update does not allow that. It basically PUNISHES experienced duelists.

And that is why so many people are pissed. Maybe next time you devs will listen before pushing out a terrible release and then trying to justify it when clearly the community, your player-base, does not CARE for your bad reasoning.

Also keep in mind that experienced duelists such as Kael and basically half of GAR agree this update is trash. Keep in mind the randoms and even well known people ive encountered have agreed this update is trash. Your loyal veteran database agrees its trash.

Please don't mention gar in a serious conversation

V1.4 Update Released!

Kazi

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

Jeob

Gumba

Plasma

Chaos the Chaotic

Nerd

SeV

Nerd

Zerobot1

Helix

T r i s t a n

seth07777777

Venk

Lessen

pew pew

Venk

----Kas----

Venk

Venk

Markyle

Ascot Supreme

Preston

Nerd