Thinking of coming back - just one question...

[Puppytine]

I've seen things like this over and over again here. One of my favorite shitstorms (albeit largely internal, it waged for weeks) was when I infracted a dev for posting a gif of an owl being kicked dead by a footballer. This wasn't my first rodeo. Shit like this happens from time to time.

If that gif was a documentary footage of killing an owl, I do approve giving an infraction for that.
I do not support posting of real gore scenes, never did and never will.
And also I think that footage of animal gore/cruelty is much worse than human gore ("The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog").

But it seems you're missing my point.
I'm saying that devs decisions about me and other prominent community members are wrong and injustice. They hurt the community, they hurt the mod.
There is nothing to be proud of.

Worth noting nobody has been removed permanently.

I believe k4far is banned permanently, isn't he?

There was a time when a moderator on the old forums banned about 10 people for posting scantily clad women in a thread intended for posting scantily clad women. I believe these bans were permanent.

Once again, it isn't something to be proud of.

This spurred the banned individuals to go on 4chan and organize a sex/gore spam attack on the forums. Now that was a good time!

No, it wasn't.
While I'm not against sex pics, if they are posted in a thread intended for posting such content, I strongly dislike gore, as well as any kind of spamming. I hate spam.
Actually, I stand for discipline, for following rules, for meticulous/scrupulous/thorough moderation.
I just don't find current rules right, I don't think they work for the common good. As well as I don't find some specific moderators' decisions fair and justified.

Plus. you are still here are you not? Not exactly removed are now?

But I was banned for a week already!
And surely I will be banned again, for any reply in this thread, or for a second episode of my farewell thread.
It's only need two warning points to be "suspended" again, won't be a big surprise when some moderator will spare few warnings for this my activity. Criticizing devs is a very dangerous job now.

To me this was nothing new. Our moderation has had a long history of being sporadic and very self-contradicting.

Third time, it isn't something to be proud of.
That's why you should assign me to a new position, "Site Leader", and give me emergency powers.
I can make moderation consistent, and which is even more important, popular across the community. It seems there is a conflict between the community and developers right now, and I can use diplomacy to fix it.
I can stop this war by making more popular decisions #Puppytine2017.
I can make majority happy #Puppytine2017.
Make MBII forums great again! #Puppytine2017
Though it also mean that moderation will became much relaxed and liberal. Not sure that all developers would be happy about that

???
I still think and will always think that mb2 ingame chat should be free. This is a forum though, and I always made it clear that I want moderation on a forum.

You should read more carefuly

I draw a pretty simply analogy: forums mainly exist to discuss gameplay, to provide valuable feedback and to solve technical issues. We can call it "forums' gameplay". So while my activity doesn't disturb gameplay aka serious sections, "it's not the admins job to handle". Simple.

This you phrase can be applied directly to the forums: "Since we still have a small playerbase we can't just go around kicking/banning people because they said something racist/sexist/moronic. I've been insulted at least a billion times in this game, I can handle it. If you can't handle it just /ignore and it's done."
Small playerbase in-game, small userbase on forums.
And btw, "ignore" function exists on forums as well. People who are offended by my replies can use it and get rid of my bs once and for all.

Also it's strange that you blame AOD for kicking players for using n-word, but you are fine with banning users from forums because of some funny pictures. Inconsistent.
Especially inconsistent since there are no "sections", "threads" or "chatrooms" in game chat, it's just a single stream that cannot be split in any way.
On forums, you are able not to visit some particular threads or sections you don't like, and still having no difficulties using the rest of the forums.
This is the diversity. Diversity that doesn't hurt anybody, where users can filter out content to watch and content to ignore.

 

[Gumba]

I draw a pretty simply analogy: forums mainly exist to discuss gameplay, to provide valuable feedback and to solve technical issues. We can call it "forums' gameplay". So while my activity doesn't disturb gameplay aka serious sections, "it's not the admins job to handle". Simple.

This you phrase can be applied directly to the forums: "Since we still have a small playerbase we can't just go around kicking/banning people because they said something racist/sexist/moronic. I've been insulted at least a billion times in this game, I can handle it. If you can't handle it just /ignore and it's done."
Small playerbase in-game, small userbase on forums.
And btw, "ignore" function exists on forums as well. People who are offended by my replies can use it and get rid of my bs once and for all.

Also it's strange that you blame AOD for kicking players for using n-word, but you are fine with banning users from forums because of some funny pictures. Inconsistent.
Especially inconsistent since there are no "sections", "threads" or "chatrooms" in game chat, it's just a single stream that cannot be split in any way.
On forums, you are able not to visit some particular threads or sections you don't like, and still having no difficulties using the rest of the forums.
This is the diversity. Diversity that doesn't hurt anybody, where users can filter out content to watch and content to ignore.

Holy shit read what I say.

MB2 CHAT AND FORUMS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

In mb2 chat your message stays for 5 secs(more if you look into console ofc). Forums are for the world to see and messages stay forever.

For the really small minded: Think of the forums as if it was real life. You wouldn't say the shit you say in mb2 chat IRL.

 

[hleV]

Don't know which is worse. The community, or the game itself in its current state. At least I don't care about the former.

 

[pelmeņu lauks]

What if it's implied gore? Like some top-notch practical fx from a film?

 

[Subaru]

Let's not. (Under what topic would you even post that and have it be on topic?)

 

[pelmeņu lauks]

Let's not. (Under what topic would you even post that and have it be on topic?)

Just exploring the grey area.

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

Let's step back and call into question....Life, The Universe and All you Schmucks Failing at it

"Too soon."

You've heard of that right? So the idea is that if you wait a certain period of time, you can make a joke about a tragic event, crime, etc.
Basically anything. Think about that.

So as long as you wait a bit...its perfectly acceptable? Hmmrmmmmmmmrrrmrmmrmr. Uh huh, uh huh.
Political Correct Propaganda.

Either its all ok, or none of it is. So its ok if I wait 4 years until I make a rape joke about so and so? Stepping back, no, why should time matter? The illusion of distance?

Fundamentals of Comedy are intrinsically linked with Tragedy. One of the major arcs is that as long as it happens to someone else, its funny. That's the distance. Everything else is pc noise.

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
-Mel Brooks

To sum it all up - you've committed crimes against comedy and time itself.
With everything thats happening right now, where hypocrisy is exposed...

Why not show you've evolved beyond pc noise A stupid illusion for little people?
As long as its not gore, porn or illegal, it shouldnt matter.

If people are offended or pretend to be, so what?
You can't cure people not right it in the head across the internet anyway.

Seek therapy if some mildly amusing pictures you saw online traumatized you.

 

[Puppytine]

Holy shit read what I say.

MB2 CHAT AND FORUMS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

In mb2 chat your message stays for 5 secs(more if you look into console ofc). Forums are for the world to see and messages stay forever.

For the really small minded: Think of the forums as if it was real life. You wouldn't say the shit you say in mb2 chat IRL.

That doesn't make any sense.
Why should I think of the forums as it's real life, even though it's Internet message board?
Chat and forums aren't really different, both exist on the Internet, both are made to people could communicate.
While it's true posts on the forums are supposed to be permanent, forums also have great customization/categorization features.
You can ignore people, you can pay no attention to some specific threads or sections. Why not to use all these great opportunities?

What if it's implied gore? Like some top-notch practical fx from a film?

I deliberately used "documentary" word, I did it for a reason, it's important.
I don't care about staged gore, gore from movies.
Burning Anakin from Ep III shouldn't be banned, obviously. Same about Luke getting his hand cut off, etc.

 

[jango40]

Using 4chin terms and calling everything you dont like sjw and leftist wont make your argument look better

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

Que the SJW's pretending.

Characterizing every meme or troll as 4chan...lulz. Havent even visited once in over 9 years. But I guess that somehow includes me?

t(-_-)t

Sorry. I have a sense of humor. I dont limit myself just because people pretend to be offended over shit they dont really give a shit about.

Farce on.

 

[P4KISTAN]

Que the SJW's pretending.

Characterizing every meme or troll as 4chan...lulz. Havent even visited once in over 9 years. But I guess that somehow includes me?

t(-_-)t

Sorry. I have a sense of humor. I dont limit myself just because people pretend to be offended over shit they dont really give a shit about.

Farce on.

degrading others isn't really a sense of humor. You really need to look over the stuff you say before hitting Post Reply

 

[Chaos the Chaotic]

Degrading others is one of the norms of comedy. Making fun of *insert here*...is now...unfunny?
O....................K.............yeah...uhhhh, nope.

Seriously, wtf is your problem? You stalked me for years as if you wanted to suck my dick and now you're some negative nancy to everything I post now?

I'll take the infarction. Call you fraud as well. The guy that spent years insulting and offending others about his name in-game now is...?
Someone must have said something about what I said about stalkers.

I don't care. Sorry. Well, not really.

 

[Puppytine]

Using 4chin terms and calling everything you dont like sjw and leftist wont make your argument look better

"Making arguments look better" doesn't really matter when your opponents don't care about any arguments at all, when you're ignored.
I've made tons of perfectly valid arguments, which don't have anything to do with calling somebody "sjw" or "leftist" (btw I identify myself as a "left-winged liberal" xD), but none of the developers even bother to respond. Instead, my threads keeps getting locked.

 

[Gunman121]

Why are these threads not all locked?

This is like the third "drama" thread in the airlock. For the people who think any of this matters, go into a discord and circle jerk about it for a month.

Otherwise, move on with your life. Read the forums CoC, if you don't like them (do as i said above.) Otherwise, none of you are making this a better place. The game and forms has had relatively the same population for the past couple of years.

Puppytine, I don't know who you are - but "but none of the developers even bother to respond. Instead, my threads keeps getting locked."

If this was some grand debate, over the future of MB2, where everyone was involved - I would understand. But its literally not the developers job, to read every persons rant and discuss it over with them. This is all community ran, it's nice that you want to improve things - but literally, this complaint about "devs don't read" is something people have said for over 10 years.

Just play the game, and post on the forums. Stop these stupid circle jerk threads and as for the ignorant morons, stop trying to utilize "political identification" with your posts. You aren't doing it right and just look like an edge lord

 

[Puppytine]

Read the forums CoC, if you don't like them (do as i said above.)

Yes I already read them, thank you. And I don't them like by many reasons I already explained.

But its literally not the developers job, to read every persons rant and discuss it over with them.

But the rules shouldn't be set without prior discussion and without approving from the community.
Developers have a moral obligation to do what is best for the community, without enforcing their personal biases.

Also, I wasn't a regular user, I was a development partner, and I expected that I would take a part in a discussion about the memes thread and the rules in general at developer's level, but that just didn't happen.
They refused to have an any real, substantive discussion with me.

Just play the game

My concerns aren't related to gameplay.

post on the forums

I can't post what believe I have a right to post, what I posted for the almost two years straight.

Stop these stupid circle jerk threads

These are not "circle jerk threads", it's civil disobedience threads.

as for the ignorant morons,

Could you please keep yourself from insulting others?

You aren't doing it right and just look like an edge lord

It's people to decide how I look like, but I humbly think that I look like a somebody who fights for something that is important to him.

 

[Gunman121]

Okay Puppy, I think you may have missed the point of my comment, and thought the bottom section was about you. I was actually agreeing with you to a major extent.

You had said "which don't have anything to do with calling somebody "sjw" or "leftist"" <-- Which I was calling the people who were doing that, ignorant morons. You can call that an insult, but its a true statement. Political affiliation has nothing to do with this. Unless, that is what you think?

You seemed to think that last paragraph was about you. It wasn't. It was directed at the people trying to involve politics into a general conversation.

You are more than welcome to debate issues, what I was trying to say was - it won't change. You can keep trying, but you'll be wasting your breath. This same fight has been going on for over 10 years.

 

[Puppytine]

ignorant morons. You can call that an insult, but its a true statement.

An insult stays insult even if it's a true statement, and calling somebody "moron" is an insult, even if that person does act literally like a moron.
There are a lot of other words which can be used to describe ignorant, aggressive behavior, which aren't creating an insult.

I was trying to say was - it won't change. You can keep trying, but you'll be wasting your breath.

That's sad, but I have to keep fighting even if victory is impossible.
If I can't make them change their wrong decisions, at least I must make those decisions look wrong: Making Wrong Code Look Wrong