MovieBattles II V1.7 Released

qwerty · Aug 29, 2020

ui just takes getting used to i used it in beta 10 times and felt ok already. i did notice the points not applying today dunno if thats related to the graphical changes

i like the deathstar changes but they could easily be better with small tweaks. e.g. conference room having 2 exits into main is just gonna force the chokepoint further down the corridor instead of breaking it up since imps can easily get there in time to cover both entrances to the flank route through conference room. if one of the exits was moved to tie fighter hangar it would be 100x more effective at forcing the imps to spread themselves thinner

echobase changes are gonna have 0 impact on gameplay, the main corridor chokepoint unflankable stalemate 10v10 shootout around corner mexican standoff fuckery is still gonna be the worst area in video gaming history

Defiant · Aug 29, 2020

Just added a small note to the main post about Ubuntu systems of atleast 16.04 and earlier and the required package for libcurl.

MaceMadunusus · Aug 29, 2020

Threepwood said:
My main feels about the UI. More unnecessary steps to view things that you could view before, thus taking more leaps through loops and more time to get into the game, when sometimes you have to hurry to select something fast to make it in before the round starts.

Like spaghetti said, its overall faster (less clicks) or the same (same amount of clicks) and it has to not switch to a secondary menu set that sometimes doesnt pop up and you manually have to hit class config. Overall should be faster, just need time to get used to the new layout a bit so your muscle memory becomes used to it like it was the old one.

Iris said:
- Not a fan of new class menu. Character model tab takes a while in Duel mode to scroll when I have 50+ models. Previously it was quicker. Menu looks more cluttered. I liked it more when there was a difference in size of model tab depending on a mode you were in. Previously in Duel mode model screen took half of the screen and now it takes 1/5. What is nice is that I can see 8 more skins in Open. Also, I dislike that icons are smaller now.

I might add the ability to change the icon size in the menu, but didn't have time before release. These icons are the same width as the old jedi/sith icons, but adjusted in size vertically to actually be square and not squished like intended (so actually slightly bigger compared to last release jedi/sith icons).

However, there not being 50+ models is just going to be something we have to live with. Scrolling a little bit is not that big of a deal, and the complaint about it is very lazy. However from a development/back end standpoint, doing it this way is much easier for everyone including those making modded menus. This makes sure things are standardized across modes, that the same modular file can be used, there isnt special versions or dependencies, etc. You don't need to change models that often.

Iris said:
- Please bring back number to hilt color slider. Kinda hard to know if I am on color I want or not. For example previously 0.16 was yellow and I used 0.13 frequently. Now I'm not sure if I'm using correct color. Also, without number I don't know how much I'm adjusting hilt color.

Can do.

Iris said:
- Hilt's blade extends onto builds/model/hilts buttons. It should end slightly before buttons.

Would result in a weird hard line cutoff that doesn't end at an obvious menu cut off like the top section. I wanted to fade the blade but that isnt currently possible, so this is the only solution right now.

Nex said:
UI class menu selection is a total mess. I have to put my points manually each time to be sure they take effect as clicking the pre-defined build don't work very often. Why change something that required no change at all? Unreal you finally got deka bug sorted though, good job there. I also feel as if my fps improved slighty.

Were working on the class selection bugs. I swear I fixed every issue I found, and I stopped having class selection bugs a long time ago. Even though we've found some client 0 related issues post patch, I was mostly client 0 and not really experiencing them anymore. Not sure what you guys are doing that is different from all the testing I did.

However, it definitely needed a change. Many new players, especially before the tutorial, were confused as to how to properly set their class information because sometimes the second menu did not like to pop up, or was delayed from popping up till the start of next round so that they wouldn't have time to look at things and would just be thrust into it. This solves that and many other issues, like allowing you to more easily change your model when hitting the class config key rather than having to go through escape menu.

qwerty said:
ui just takes getting used to i used it in beta 10 times and felt ok already. i did notice the points not applying today dunno if thats related to the graphical changes

Initial versions of the UI had some errors into it, mostly being related to being started pre 1.6 menu and backend changes. I removed a lot of the extra bloat and stuff that solved most of the issues for me. So most if not all of the UI related issues should have been fixed unless I missed something which is possible. However, so far its seeming like an exacerbation of already existing issues that might partially be because of some additional back end changes this release. Still investigating though but I went over the UI itself with a fine tooth comb idk how many times.

Some bugs are due to people making bad mods that overwrite the official menus, rather than using their own layouts. Found a few mods while talking to people playing that were doing things like that and interfering, causing issues with the new menu.

RogueWookiee · Aug 30, 2020

Fix RGB inside Private duels?

mage! · Aug 30, 2020

sometimes loadouts don't get applied for the round and this happens more frequently than before the patch, several glitches with loadouts such as not getting any weapons, losing random force powers even after reapplying points, some saved class configs are invisible in the selection list, sometimes saved class configs don't apply points properly (missing loadout during round), and my 3D model in the class selection screen is a broken texture and won't change when I choose a new model. Also quite a few microfreezes with several players freezing for a second at the same time in game? seems to happen more than before the patch too

Also is it just me or is there no 'apply' button on the class config point window (the transparent keybind one)? This makes it really awkward to change points quickly before a round, and it feels a lot harder to quickly change class and points in the pre-round but this might be because I'm not used to it yet. Let's say I want to change to a different jedi class config, I choose jedi and click my config and click OK, this is the majority of my pre-round time, and then the loadout sometimes doesn't work and I get nothing/missing force powers/what I chose last round.

new SBD models look amazing

LanceOfLonginus · Aug 30, 2020

overall pretty neat new features, the nameplates and stuff are awesome. looking forward to some balance changes based on data collection.

seems a lot are having bugs with picking points, i've experienced this too and even gotten a load out with nothing at all, not even a pistol.

MaceMadunusus · Aug 30, 2020

mage! said:
Also is it just me or is there no 'apply' button on the class config point window (the transparent keybind one)?

This tells me a lot of your issues are due to modded client. Whatever mod you have overwrote the main menu while possibly keeping point menus intact.

This results in the value of ui_preset not being updated. Mods based on new ui need to be based on a ui_preset value of 2 as noted in the changelog. You can reload the game without the mod, or enter /ui_preset 2 in console to fix.

Preston · Aug 30, 2020

People keep getting lots of class bug issues, even deleting all our builds and the default ones isn't working. Happens randomly and the game is kinda unplayable right now for alot of people

mage! · Aug 30, 2020

MaceMadunusus said:
This tells me a lot of your issues are due to modded client. Whatever mod you have overwrote the main menu while possibly keeping point menus intact.

This results in the value of ui_preset not being updated. Mods based on new ui need to be based on a ui_preset value of 2 as noted in the changelog. You can reload the game without the mod, or enter /ui_preset 2 in console to fix.

I only use the new Penekepack 2.0, might be the problem. /ui_preset is set to 2 in game, will test without penekepack cheers

Duckshark · Aug 30, 2020

Fr tho great job devs, loving the new skins, as long as classbugs/joinbugs get fixed soon.

New deathstar is amazing, and i think the bit about having 2 doors in main is somewhat negated by the fact that a couple nades clears out the conference room pretty quickly, or if you have mobility you can arc roll, dash, dodge, or jedi speed from the foremost boxes in main into the 2nd door to break behind the campers or surprise them, so imps have to either give up the conference room or fight 2 fronts.

Tempest patch Soon™?

MaceMadunusus · Aug 30, 2020

Preston said:
People keep getting lots of class bug issues, even deleting all our builds and the default ones isn't working. Happens randomly and the game is kinda unplayable right now for alot of people

Were working on them. I posted a speculative fix on discord that people can try, so long as they remove it when the hotfix goes live. Its only a fix for one of the bugs, but should help.

If people want to avoid it for now, just be sure to click a point menu button or a model after selecting a template because that forces a userinfo update.

Arthas · Aug 30, 2020

Gotta say I'm really liking the new deathstar

Lindsey · Aug 30, 2020

Arthas said:
Gotta say I'm really liking the new deathstar

Rosh+ · Aug 31, 2020

the new ui for class selection is so strange and alien compared to the old one that i didnt understand what i was looking at the first time i opened it up

this is my only complaint about this patch besides it still not being good enough to bring back all the people who used to play :c

besides that of course some of the new models are just weird in some ways, the most notable example i can think of rn is the kotor sith assassin having both ingame taunts, and sounds taken from the reborn and put under a muffle filter in audacity, not to mention the terribly done rigging on his waistskirt that causes it to stretch wider than the texture was meant to anytime he so much as moves his legs/waist.

otherwise ok

except for the deathstar changes they are seemingly arbitrary and god awful.

RogueWookiee · Aug 31, 2020

The Rey Sith model also doesn't look very great, needs some work on the textures etc.

RogueWookiee · Aug 31, 2020

Another thing to add, using Conference room on deathstar as a secondary spawnpoint is just fucking awful, revert it back to the old secondary spawn for rebs. After playing it for a few hours i notice its just a fuckton mess and spawn killing ez farm.

itsisu · Aug 31, 2020

Class config fix when

Defiant · Aug 31, 2020

itsisu said:
Class config fix when

It's being tested right now.

^})^Macrobyte · Sep 1, 2020

So, after some extensive playing with the UI and deathstar map I am going to echo a lot of what is being said.

- The UI build configuration feels like it takes longer for the main reason that when you select your model, it shows you the model instead of taking you straight to your build upon class selection like the previous one did. I don't really care what the model looks like while I am trying to get into the game. During the build setup time, getting us to our points and presets should be priority over fashion. While the intention may have been to make everything more concise and faster, it seems like just setting up is unnecessarily longer. Personally, I am more of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The UI was fine before and should have been left the same minus adding the delete button.
- On the UI, the medium saber stance looks flipped when choosing between yellow, duals, staff. Referring to the little icons that light up in comparison to fast and strong stances.
- Looks like a hotfix was pushed out this morning and i didnt experience any class bugs, so thanks for that.
- I've seen a lot of complaints regarding the reb conference room spawn on deathstar, but I feel like that has way more to do with sith camping it with lightning 3 than it does with the spawn itself. Rebs just dont really have anywhere to move if imperials are in there. People were camping tie fighter as well prior to the change, but it was far less accessible since its so far away from the objective. There's definitely more avenues to flank imperials leading to rebs winning more rounds. My only suggestion would be to remove the first door on the reb side of the conference room in main and create a path from tie to the conference room. Then, you could probably move the reb spawn back to tie and still give rebs an avenue to go a different path that isn't main and access to the comm room. Don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

Spaghetti · Sep 1, 2020

^})^Macrobyte said:
- The UI build configuration feels like it takes longer for the main reason that when you select your model, it shows you the model instead of taking you straight to your build upon class selection like the previous one did. I don't really care what the model looks like while I am trying to get into the game.

It's the same number of clicks at worst (as discussed in this poorly named thread) and fewer for many common operations. Remember you no longer have to click okay to lock in team/class/model before even setting points. Also mentioned in that thread is it is possible it will be made an option to have build templates instead of model viewer as the default shown, so that would guarantee fewer clicks. But again, worst case you're breaking even right now (once you retrain muscle memory anyway).

^})^Macrobyte said:
- I've seen a lot of complaints regarding the reb conference room spawn on deathstar, but I feel like that has way more to do with sith camping it with lightning 3 than it does with the spawn itself. Rebs just dont really have anywhere to move if imperials are in there. People were camping tie fighter as well prior to the change, but it was far less accessible since its so far away from the objective. There's definitely more avenues to flank imperials leading to rebs winning more rounds. My only suggestion would be to remove the first door on the reb side of the conference room in main and create a path from tie to the conference room. Then, you could probably move the reb spawn back to tie and still give rebs an avenue to go a different path that isn't main and access to the comm room. Don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

I think the amount of complaints will go down now that the spawns do not move until later in the round (precisely, an attacker has to enter hangar / start of control room route from main junction, or reach the end of the lower route where you choose between the two lifts). A version of the idea to have a route from Tie hangar to conference room and leave spawns there was actually tested in one of the beta builds. I can't remember exactly why Lindsey nixed that, but it's possible that could return. Alternately a protected spawn that connects to the conference room area. Need to give it more time though to see if more change is really necessary. People are still getting used to the current changes.

MovieBattles II V1.7 Released

qwerty

Defiant

Nerd

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

RogueWookiee

mage!

LanceOfLonginus

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

Preston

Nerd

mage!

Duckshark

MaceMadunusus

Level Designer

Arthas

Lindsey

Rosh+

RogueWookiee

RogueWookiee

itsisu

Defiant

Nerd

^})^Macrobyte

Spaghetti

Ghost