Moviebattles II R21.5 Released

/Logrus · Oct 31, 2025

Developers, when will the lightning, drain and jetpack fuel visuals be fixed in Legends? It still doesnt work on any render.

Leons · Oct 31, 2025

/Logrus said:
Developers, when will the lightning, drain and jetpack fuel visuals be fixed in Legends? It still doesnt work on any render.

@LegendsContributors. My wide ears heard "turning enhanced effects to 'normal' fixes it" but I can't confirm that claim.

Defiant · Oct 31, 2025

Probably breaches the efx limit with enhanced effects turned on.

[SE] Maren · Nov 7, 2025

Defiant said:
Duals

The goal of this update is to bring back Duals into an actual "Medium / Balanced" style rather than the spamfest that it was. Enforcing knowledge of PBing rather than spamming attacks mindlessly. Nothing is set in stone and changes may still happen.

New: Perk - Increased damage on PB Counter. PB Counter now deals 1.10x damage, stacks with MB Counter. Applies extra damage to a parry as well.

Change: Swing count increased from 3 to 4

Change: Few swing speed adjustments, more notably all spins have been significantly sped up.

Remove: Perk - Halfswing resetting swing count

Remove: Perk - More swing count per 3 ACM

Good change up to now, however the 1.10x damage is almost unoticable and therefore inferior to yellow, perhaps a considerable buff to 1.70% aswell as the ability to swing in the same direction in all attacks would make duals very unique.

As for staff, this still requires a buff I've been testing standard dueling and dueling against equal opponents over hundreds of duels and the stance is not viable without having to alternate between other stances, a general attack bonus of 1.2% and 1.5x bp is required for it to be used competitively.

Jay Brando · Nov 8, 2025

Defiant said:
Duals

The goal of this update is to bring back Duals into an actual "Medium / Balanced" style rather than the spamfest that it was. Enforcing knowledge of PBing rather than spamming attacks mindlessly. Nothing is set in stone and changes may still happen.

New: Perk - Increased damage on PB Counter. PB Counter now deals 1.10x damage, stacks with MB Counter. Applies extra damage to a parry as well.

Change: Swing count increased from 3 to 4

Change: Few swing speed adjustments, more notably all spins have been significantly sped up.

Remove: Perk - Halfswing resetting swing count

Remove: Perk - More swing count per 3 ACM

useless perks, speed too slow to counter spam fest from even yellow style just like last patch, defense value too low, offense value too low, you may as well simply use yellow for much better stats and speed. hitboxes are also cucked and complete noobs on any style can force parries

bad update to duals

edit: is there a way to like my own post? its all true and kino and based

bash · Nov 8, 2025

Counter spam fest should be adressed. Even more.

[SE] Maren · Nov 8, 2025

Jay Brando said:
useless perks, speed too slow to counter spam fest from even yellow style just like last patch, defense value too low, offense value too low, you may as well simply use yellow for much better stats and speed. hitboxes are also cucked and complete noobs on any style can force parries

bad update to duals

edit: is there a way to like my own post? its all true and kino and based

It's a step in the right direction, spamming should not be a viable stance the issue is now that the alternative stances are now underperforming in almost every aspect.

SeV · Nov 16, 2025

bash said:
Counter spam fest should be adressed. Even more.

My original suggestion for bhc was to slow them down or even prevent them completely, but I think nerfing them via ACM like this is a good alternative, because it provides more freedom of choice. You can deliberately choose to bhc if you need parries or you're close to winning the duel. Countering needs to be an option: turn based combat is boring.

Speaking of counters, I think I should mention this on the forums: sv_fps 40 = consistent saber interactions. sv_fps 50 = inconsistent saber interactions.
What this means in practice is that counters function reliably on 40 server fps (40 snaps) and they become more unreliable at 50 or more. This has been my theory for years, but was confirmed by others independently after I brought it up some time ago.

The duals change was long overdue and indeed a step in the right direction. Halfswings still reset fast on duals, so they can still be oppressive, but now you just have to use a bit more skill to play the style.

The new hit boxes are also an improvement, just yaw correctly.

Crusader · Nov 23, 2025

I don't know how to feel about the wookiee changes. At one point, there was a big fuss about wookiee and how charged shot spoiled its class identity. That argument was either about removing the charge shot, the scope, or something else--I can't really remember. All I know is that people thought the class was passive or something.

The new wookiee gun certainly doesn't encourage an 'active' play style, and I hope that's recognised. I don't really care about any of that, I just want to check if identity is still the philosophy you're going for, or we've moved on from that. The addition just feels really inconsistent with previous feedback.

Currently, the gun is not going to be used as gun, which is a shame given the effort to add it into the game. As people have pointed out, it is a 10-point utility buy for practically a whole round's worth of corner clearing and flushing. A grenade can do a similar thing (and is admittedly more effective) at 9 points, but with a once-only use, and can be turned against you with a push. I don't want to exactly complain about it because it is ridiculously strong. Abusing awkward angles has always been particularly effective against wookiee. Now you don't have to worry about that so much anymore. I would abuse it. However, a gun should be a centerpiece thing, and it's a shame it has been effectively reduced to a sidearm. Therefore, I think some adjustments are needed.

One of the weapon modes should be just like a normal automatic gun. Hold the button down and it continuously shoots. It feels awkward to partially charge each shot and the RoF is low. I get that the two guns can't be too similar. The red caster can be as you know it, and the green can be a slower (but not taking the piss), harder-hitting caster. Speaking of--what are the values? I didn't see them published in patch notes.

Bounce shot? Don't really care. Realistically, nobody plays open, even less play wookiee, and almost everyone plays Sith. You might get one guy using it against the class who can at least position themselves to mitigate it the most. However, due to what bounce shot compensates for on the class, and the damage it does, this will only ever be a utility pick in my eyes unless there is a usable normal fire mode. Don't get me wrong though, this is ridiculously strong and the damage probably needs to come down.

The fan shot? Not really sure what this is for. I might be able to hit someone point-blank with it and instantly kill them, but generally, you want the gun to be effective at range. This isn't it. The fan is too wide, the damage too low. Besides really close ranges, I'm not really hitting multiple shots. More likely, I'm spending all that time charging and hitting 1 or 2 shots, which makes your DPS plummet. You could change the shot pattern, make the fan on-demand rather than charge, but with a cooldown, I don't really know.

It's a weird one. My gripe with wookiee was survivability. However, it's not like you haven't addressed that since the bounce shot now means you can circumvent some fights that would previously chunked you. Although, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the intention.

Moviebattles II R21.5 Released

/Logrus

Leons

Saber & UI Dev

Defiant

Nerd

[SE] Maren

Jay Brando

bash

[SE] Maren

SeV

Nerd

Crusader