I just skimmed through that SeV/Mace thread and found myself actually agreeing that devs have spent too much time on sabering. Over the past two years I've seen a handful of patches get made and a handful of patches get thrown in the bin or used for a short period of time. What's frustrating about this (and I imagine that Mace feels the same way) is that other areas of the game are being left out, I've seen people say similar things on the forum such as asking about Open balancing, new maps and so on. It's also frustrating (imo) seeing two developers almost competing with eachother to make the best sabering build. Don't get me wrong I admire both Stassin and Tempest's determination, but I do often wonder what they could produce together, rather than producing seperate builds and having a mexican stand off to see who's build will go in the game. What I don't understand is why we don't just revert to an earlier version of sabering and save the unpredictability, effort and time that creating another new patch is going to produce/require. All it would take would be a bit of a discussion as to what version of sabering we could revert to and from there minor tweaking could be done. Imo 1.3 sounds like the most revered build, and I'm guessing it would take considerably less effort to switch back to this system rather than write another patch which people might not enjoy. I've made a poll to start this potential idea/discussion, tell me if I've missed any builds you'd really wish would return.